Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Asking me to prove a negative Sama?
No, I'm asking you to disprove my stance. Because my side has already proved up, you've yet to.
Which logical fallacy is that?
That'd be the "It's not a fallacy, pal, maybe you should do some research" fallacy. If I've already given my reasons, and logical deducted from them - how is asking you to prove your side or disprove mine a fallacy?
Oh? It's not? Okay.
It's asking your side to prove up. Perhaps, you should retake those lessons from Nai, because obviously you can't see that I already made my points, ergo you have to disprove them, which you've yet to do. Simple as that.
There is nothing to suggest he can magically increase his blasts by 100,000 everytime.
Exar Kun created amulet blasts to a deadly magnitude without knowing shit about Sadow or the Darkside at all. Exar Kun now has learned from Naga Sadow's teachings, the creator of the amulet, and has become fully immersed with the Darkside ("leaving the darkest power in the galaxy..."😉.
That alone suggests he can create the same size blasts again.
Logically deducting from this:
- Exar created blasts without knowing anything.
- Exar now knows Sadow's teachings, and apparently set out to master them.
- Exar also is fully sided with the Darkside now, compared to before when he was still trying to bullshit Nadd, and didn't know shit about it as I said.
Your proof? None. In. Sight. So, why don't you give me one reason to support your claims? So far, you haven't gave anything. You keep saying "Nothing suggests, speculation, Dungeons and Dragons magic". Yet you don't give any damn reasons. It's f*cking ridiculous to keep questioning me, and then claim I committed a fallacy.
Did I say everytime? Maybe even again. Nobody said he can't use the blasts but increasing it to that level, that's speculation.
You haven't proved shit, Sexy. How is it speculation? Because he was able to use them to that magnitude without knowing shit about them and the Darkside, and now he's learned from the creator, said to master his teachings, and became "the darkest power in the galaxy"?
Oh, no. You're absolutely right. There's *nothing* aside from what I stated to suggest that. Quit bullshitting, what I just gave you suggests that.
Uh yea, because Yoda CANT use offensive force powers lol.
The way Yoda used the Force Push was offensive. Unless, he was trying to protect Sidious.
I thought we've already established this. You're comparing apples and oranges.
No, it's really not. Maybe you should know what the point is: you're saying because we've only seen Exar use it once on a Sith Wyrm - which is deadlier than a f*cking ass clown named Vodo or an ignorant apprentice named Ulic - and not on a person, he won't use it on Sidious.
It's the same thing. It's like saying so and so won't use this power because they didn't in this or that fight. It's called a "storyline", it gives it dramatics. We saw Vodo tool Exar in the beginning of DLOTS, and Exar came back. Now, it's a final showdown.
That's like saying "oh sidious can use a force storm anytime he wants, whether he's fighting an army or a 1 on 1 battle". Notice how Kun was getting squeezed to death which would explain why his rage multiplied.
No, it's made clear by the narration that the amulet does that, not him getting squeezed like an orange.
You're assuming that his rage will always multiply at least 100,000 times. I'm glad you can logically quantify his rage abilities.
Uh? What the hell? Of course I'm assuming that because tht's what the amulet does. Why would it increase by 1/10 when we've already seen it increase thousands by just merely equipping it.
Is it illogical to assume that he couldn't control it, and he had to learn all of Sadow's teachings and master them to control it, but since he didn't use it again that means he couldn't control it which means he DIDNT learn everything?
Wow. That's the biggest load of shit. So, because there was no one on his level to even pose a threat, he can't do it/didn't learn everything? Wow. That's sound logic, pal.
Let's take a review of the clowns Exar faced after learning from Sadow:
1.) Ulic Qel-Droma. Now, we all know he stalemated him in saber combat, however, the fight was interrupted - so we have no idea what would've went on anyways. Plus, Kun dabbled more in the "forbidden teachings" of the Darkside after that anyways.
2.) Vodo Siosk-Bass. Yes, this piece of candy here posed so much of a threat, that Exar would need to blast a hole through him and the entire Senate arena. I mean, yeah - he caused so much trouble that he admitted defeat, and Exar tooled him after one page of igniting the other end of his lightsaber.
3.) Odan "I strip Ancient Sith for breakfast" Urr. Yeah, not much action here, besides him dying with just a wave of his hand. Something he must've learned somewhere, eh? I doubt ol' Vodo taught him that trick.
Who else did he fight? Ah, shit. No one. Unless you count pwning Sylvar by lifting a finger, and incapacitating Aleema with Sith magic (I wonder where he learned more powerful magic than Aleema, eh?).
To answer your point: It's rather more logical to assume he mastered it, and that he can control it - if you're going to base your stance just of the mere fact he doesn't use it again, then it's illogical.
Are we to say that he can't Force choke/instakill again because he only used it once? Are we going to say he can't use Sith magic blasts because he only did it once? Are we going to say he can't freeze Senators because he only did it once?
I'm not saying that's how it happened but it's something to think about. And apparently you missed the part where his blasts increased from Y, then Yx1000, Y x 100000, etc.. It's not instant Sama.
Oh, how could I forget! The part where the amulet takes effect immediately. Now, why would the amulet just increase every now and then? It probably wouldn't. If anything it's a constant effect (those of you familiar with the Elder Scrolls series know what I'm talking about), even if it's not - even if the amulet increases when Exar "wants" it to, or whatever (IDK), the amulet multiplied his rage with nanoseconds of clamping on to his arm, to assume it will take light years or even a minute or two to multiply is pretty insane.
Now, if you'd be so kind - explain, if it's not "instant", what is it? What proof can you offer to say that it won't increase within the same amount of time it took to equip it?
Oh I'm sorry Sama, because those things you just mention completely hints at Kun learning "Everything". Oh wait.
Great, more horribly placed sarcasm by Sexy. You haven't proved - rather disproved - "anything" for your side.
Which teachings did he master? How much did he master? Care to quantify? Or are you going to ask me to prove that he DIDNT learn whatever.
No, I'm simply going to state you offer no proof for you claims. If you logical deduct what I gave you, it's obvious he had to master them. Don't be so daft:
- Froze thousands upon thousands of Senators, and controlled them more than likely. Hundreds of thousands even given the size of the place, and it was filled to the top.
- Blasted Aleema with Sith magic that incapacitated here.
- Created numerous alchemical monsters.
- Built a sphere to trap the Massassi life energy.
As well, if he didn't master them, what reason would he have to gain more stuff if he hadn't even fully learned what he had right in front of him? We can also add in the fact he said that if he didn't master them, it'd destroy him. I highly doubt he'd know all that shit by just reading bedtime stories. All signs point to the fact he mastered them.
And then there's always absence of proof is not proof of absence. Just because we don't see him use all of Sadow's teachings, doesn't mean he can't or hasn't mastered them. And, of course, it's more than likely he did master them, and because in this case because we have a strong premise to go on (the aforementioned list), it would definitely apply. Seriously, I'm waiting for you to disprove it. Stuff like "Which teachings?" Sith magic, sith alchemy. Whatever troves Sadow had.
