Was Hitler...EVIL?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
People often describe Hitler as a monster, or as evil, when Der Untergang came out alot of German Reporters asked if it was right for Hitler to be portrayed so humanly.

But, Hitler was a devout supporter of the Survival of the Fittest theory, he believed that the strong had to survive and to do this it involved destroying the weak, and so, the concentration camps where set up and millions where gassed and killed...but

Is the extreme take on, what is effectively Darwinism, actually evil?

To say that Hitler was evil would suggest that he was devoid of Human emotion and soul...but, it is clear if you read the reports of those who knew him that this wasn't the case.

In fact, he did do what HE felt was best for humanity...so he wasn't acting out of malice but HE thought he was doing what was right.

Although he may have been wrong and his beliefs on what is right and wrong where extremely warped, does that actually make him evil?

If by killing 6,000,000 million jews and others. Then yes, Hitler was infact evil.

nobody can be evil. they can have an evil mentallity, and commit evil acts. however nobody IS evil...if they are then you cant really blame them for anything because....they're just evil and cant help it.

So what you are trying to say is Hitler isn't evil? 😐

Originally posted by rooobarbcustard
So what you are trying to say is Hitler isn't evil? 😐

Your sentence should have read wasn't evil as far i am aware he is dead, waits for conspiracy theory!

No, I do not believe he himself was evil. He simply had no morals.

Originally posted by rooobarbcustard
If by killing 6,000,000 million jews and others. Then yes, Hitler was infact evil.

That was wrong... not evil. It doesn't matter how many people he killed, killing one person for the wrong reason is just as bad as killing 50 people for the wrong reason. If it were the case of how many people he killed, we would have a lot of "evil" men in the world.

Hitler was not evil, his ideas and actions were indeed evil actions, but he was just a man, as Itzak, with no morals.

Originally posted by rooobarbcustard
So what you are trying to say is Hitler isn't evil? 😐

wow, i am so intimidated by your 😐 smilie as well as your blanketed threat to label me as a supporter of hitler. your moral highground is nothing more than a tall mound of horseshit. way to forsake logic just to browbeat others 👆

Originally posted by PVS
wow, i am so intimidated by your 😐 smilie as well as your blanketed threat to label me as a supporter of hitler. your moral highground is nothing more than a tall mound of horseshit. way to forsake logic just to browbeat others 👆

Which all of this ends up trying to push the bible into public schools. Nice quote by the way PVS... I guess there was a purpose for God writing the bible after all. What a jackass.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
Which all of this ends up trying to push the bible into public schools. Nice quote by the way PVS... I guess there was a purpose for God writing the bible after all. What a jackass.

...eh? maybe its just too early and my ability for comprehension is dulled, but could you perhaps rephrase/reword that for us simpletons?

Originally posted by PVS
your moral highground is nothing more than a tall mound of horseshit.

I meant to quote this statement. I was agreeing with your stance that most morals, though well intended, blur our sense of logic. For example: forcing the bible into public schools.

edit:

ok, thanks for clearing that up

I don't think Hitlers actions were evil.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think Hitlers actions were evil.

ok, how can we yet again philosophically disect this into superficiality bardock?

I think we can safely call people like Hitler evil without stumbling over the classic Manichean argument for dividing the universe between rival good and evil principles.

Existence by itself is good. Human life is especially sanctified by the West. This would seem to argue against any human existence being labeled as evil. In an ontological sense, this is correct. Existence is categorically good.

However, from the Augustinian viewpoint, the whole idea of moral evil is that it is not a substance, not something that possesses being in itself. It is rather a perversion of good, and is only actuated when good beings desire what would otherwise be good things in a wrong order.

This is how moral beings always lose themselves. They choose a partial good and mistake it for the best thing, or the whole. And when the other, higher goods intrude and make claims upon the conscience, the partial good demands that its territory remain protected at the expense of everything else. The lover of the partial good now finds himself in a quandary. He is invested in the thing he loves yet finds himself at odds with the encroaching world. He must either relinquish his love and reconcile himself, or commit himself utterly to unceasing rebellion. In time, rebellion hardens into something like confirmed hardness of heart. This is the path from partial love to confirmed evil.

This is why ardent patriots sometimes become bloodthirsty tyrants, or covering seraphs become angels of darkness.

Originally posted by PVS
ok, how can we yet again philosophically disect this into superficiality bardock?

I am not sure what you just say, but in case you agreed with me....good, cause I am right. Hitler not evil. Hitler's actions not evil either.

did hitler exist?

Originally posted by PVS
did hitler exist?

I don't know, but in case he did I am rather sure he wasn't evil.

fine bardock. fine. there is no such thing as evil. we get it.

Originally posted by PVS
fine bardock. fine. there is no such thing as evil. we get it.

Yes. It's true. And I think a point that needs to be addressed in a thread with the topic "Is someone evil (evil being that thing that doesn't exist)". But that's just me, I guess we could also just talk in a way as if it would exist. Certainly wouldn't help much...but we could.