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Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by zephiel7
Which is as I stated before, bullshit. Revan already knew how to use that function of the Star Forge. The second function is to strengthen a powerful dark side user with force energy, which Malak reveals.
No. You are simply assuming he's talking about that without it being mentioned. They only used the SF for starship production, then the officer comes up and says that they are producing 3 times as many starships as they did when Revan was in charge and then Malak comes up with the statement that "if Revan had discovered all the power of the SF he would have been invincible". Yeah. What were they talking about ? Starship production - not some other power which is never mentioned and never used.
If the SF makes somebody powerful then you might tell me why Malak did install those Jedi there to heal himself up and - despite of the fact that Revan and him were almost equal and he now had the SF and the Jedi to heal himself as additional resources - had his ass handed to Revan again...
Because he has not shown this ability, and neither has he shown sufficient strength in the force as to pull off the same feat that Yoda did.
WTF ? Read Shatterpoint, the CW era novels / comics and watch the CW cartoons and then come up with the "Mace has not shown sufficient strength in the force" bull again...
Really, he was barely able to block Sidious' lightning. Again I am waiting for proof that he can deflect Revan's "miniature storm" (which was described as being far greater)
Wow. He was only barely able to block a sustained wave of force lightning at point blank range when we saw a single blast of it having enough energy to push Yoda through Sidious office ?
Unvalidated, and an utterly false assumption. Revan's storm was not described as something coming from his fingertips, then going towards the sky and crashing down on the Rakatans. It was actually described as coming from the sky. It appeared as multiple bolts of lightnigng that appeared from the sky to slaughter "raiding/scouting" parties. In the Star Wars films (highest authority) Sidious' lightning was not shown to be anywhere near this magnitude.
Oh wow. What people can make out of the sentence that he "pulled lightning from the sky"...
It is possible that none force users don't see the force energy coming from the hand but only that, which comes down from the sky in form of lightning. Hence they exactly saw this and nothing more.
And Sidious obliterated a Battalion of Stormtroopers with force lightning. A batallion, according to the information given about the Republic army, consisted of 576 Clones commanded by a Major. So ups...he actually killed far more people than Revan did.
Revan is stronger than ROTS Sidious, but not his DE incarnation. Do not intentionally be vague.
Proof ?
Only as much as you do not possess the faculties for logical thought. Revan's lightning was described visually as far superiour than Sidious'. If you look at the movie (the highest authority for Star Wars, Sidious' lightning was comparitevely pussy). Revan's was described as something far larger in magnitude.
How can something, that you have never seen, be "visually descriped" as far superior to something that the guy, who gave the description has never seen before, huh ? Fallible third party sources are nothing to base an argument on.
Of course, because a single bolt of lightning can defeat multiple opponents (from the scouting parties). Obviously there were multiple bolts which indicate something of a storm like nature. Revan's manifestation was clearly different than Kyp's.
Oh it was ? Kyp used his force powers to summon a thunderstorm and then fried the Leviathan with it. And he called a sustain lightning bolt from the sky that fried the Leviathan for several seconds. Uh...you were saying ?
Other than the fact that it is far greater in magnitude then typical force lightning, and that it does not originate from the said users fingetips, which you have yet to prove it does.
Other than your assumption that it's far greater in magnitude based on the comment of a fallible source it's pretty obvious, that something able to kill 576 Stormtroopers trumps the ability that killed one Rakatan scouting party (small Rancor, some Rakatans).
Oh right, assumptions galore. You assume that the technique used by Darth Revan in his peak was the same one as described in KOTOR where Revan has not yet fully recovered his memory(and is consequently not as strong), despite being told by the Rakatans that the force lightning came from the sky. Since the threadmaker has stated that it is Post Star Forge Revan, (Revan in outer regions) then he has fully regained his memory. Get it through your skull that it did not come from his fingertips, arch slightly upwards, and towards the Rakatans.
Get it through your skull that the Rakatans are fallible third party source who don't know jack shit about force powers. Get it through your skull that none force users might only see the lightning coming from the sky. Get it through your skull that the said ability is the strongest incarnation of force lightning in KotoR hence Revan could have recovered his memory as much as he wanted - more than "strongest ability" isn't possible.
If you would like to discuss Rakatan psychology with me, and how these bloodthirsty idiots could potentially turn on Revan in the DS side, then be my guest. It is possible the "One" could have continually sent raiding parties, each of which were slaughtered. He referred to Revans attacks as "slaughtering us".
This would still not come even close to Sidious obliterating more than 500 stormtroopers with a single use of force lightning.
Regardless in either case scenario, it does not dimish the nature of the attack.
Regardless...since we have seen Mace being able to block Sidious force lightning, which is more powerful than whatever Revan used, I don't see Revan being able to kill Mace using the force.
Wow, more assumptions. You assume first that the two types of precognition work exclusive of each other, when in KOTOR2 the two types of precognition are actually shown to be synergistic of one another. Your point is moot.
You are obviously as stupid as somebody can be, huh ? If I have one ability, that allows me to forsee what happens in the next 10 seconds (Echani Precog) and another ability that allows me to forsee what happens in the next 20 seconds (Jedi precog) how would it help me to have both abilities ? How can precognition be "synergistic" ? Either you know what happens in the next 10 seconds or you don't. Two abilities that make you know what happens in the next 10 seconds aren't better than one ability that does the same - because in either way you would know what happens in the next 10 seconds.
Um, I guess you missed my point that Obi Wan was using the force agressively, and using an agressive lightsaber stance, hence he got pwned. If he used his defensive techniques fully, then obviously he can prolong the fight for Revan to arrive.
Since when can a lightsaber form directly stop force attacks, huh ? It can't. He can use Soresu until he's blue in the face - that won't stop Mace or Kyle to wipe the floor with him using their superior force powers.
Speak for yourself, you are pulling wild assumptions about Revan's abilites out of your ass in order to support your meager points.
I do ? I just use the description of this ONE ability from the KotoR games and compare what Revan had used to the power of Sidious force lightning which - oh noes - was greater and blocked by Windu.
And even in the worst case scenario (Mace going down against Revan, Obi-Wan in the same moment going down against Kyle - something that won't even happen) Kyle on his own would still destroy Revan.
So...Mace and Kyle always win this - no matter what you do, Revan fanboy.