Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nai, what the hell is this bullshit about Revan and Malak being "about equal"? Since when were they EVER "about equal"? That's some unsubstantiated bullshit on your part. And when did Sidious kill the stormtroopers. Was it in ROTS or a lot later? And if it was a lot later how the hell can you say "ROTS Sidious had far more powerful lightning than Revan", when that's also unsubstantiated(assuming Sidious didn't kill the Stormtroopers in ROTS). Stop calling people fanboys, you are obviously having a rough month or are angry about something.
It's stated that Revan and Malak engaged in a "epic lightsaber duel" on the Star Forge and going by that description I'm pretty sure that Revan was not vastly superior to Malak. They were about equal at this time.
@Adas:
1. Both Malak and Bastilla continuously mention that the SF powers up the individual controlling it, I can't give you the exact quotes because I haven't played the game for a while, but IIRC:
Because said quotes don't even exist because you're making things up.
(I)Bastilla mentions that Revan was a fool for not harnessing the full power of the SF (something like that), and sparks fly into her from the SF, and she seems stronger - seemingly she has been powered up.
And more bullshit. There aren't sparks flying from the SF to her. She just stands up, goes to fight Revan and gets defeated. Yes...she says that Revan was a fool for not using the entire power of the SF but all that Revan did with the SF is - for the ten-billionth time - producing ships.
(II) Malak repeatedly states similar things to what Bastilla says, and at one point even states that he can use the power of the SF to drain the life energy of the jedi and make him stronger (something along those lines).
Again: Wrong. He just keeps talking about the Dark Side energies stored within the Star Forge. Nothing about boosting force powers up. Yes...he mentioned that the SF allowed him to store the life-force of the Jedi and he would be stronger because being able to drain them (healing himself). That's it.
(III) Once Revan has defeated Malak, he states something like 'Impossible. I have all the power of the SF on my side yet you still beat me' (something similar to that). Now he is clearly referring to combat power here, as he is amazed that Revan was able to defeat him in a combat situation, even though he had all of the power of the SF on his side.(IV) Malak states to Revan [once Revan has defeated him by the way, not casually as he was talking about the SF's ability to mass produce starships like you just said] that if he had learnt the true power of the SF (True power - different function, nothing about being able to control the SF's ability more efficiently), he may have become invincible. Now seeing as Revan already knew of the SF's ability to produce ships, it definitely can't be that; Malak repeatedly states that Revan was never able to harness the true power of the SF - he also makes it clear that he is referring to the powering up of the SF. It's clear that Malak is referring to the powering up of the SF.
Please try to feet me more of that blatant made-up bullshit.
"Still . . . still spouting the wisdom the Jedi, I see. Maybe there is more truth in their code than I ever believed. I . . . I cannot help but wonder, Revan. What would have happened had our positions been reversed? What if fate had decreed I would be captured by the Jedi? Could I have returned to the light, as you did? If you had not led me down the dark path in the first place, what destiny would I have found?"
"I wanted to be Master of the Sith and ruler of the galaxy. But that destiny was not mine, Revan. It might have been yours, perhaps . . . but never mine. And in the end, as the darkness takes me, I am nothing."
That's what Malak says after Revan defeated him. Uh ? Star Forge ? Power ? No ? Seems like you are pretty damn wrong.
Now the fact that he states that Revan would have become invincible means that either the powering up of the SF is immense, or Revan was already near invincible. Either way, it speaks incredibly for Revan as he was either close to invincible in Malak's eyes (Malak would have had no need to lie, he knew much about the SF and Revan, and would likely be aware of how powerful Revan would have grown with that added power) or the powering up of the SF was immense, and Revan was able to defeat someone who was already extremely powerful, yet had the added power of the SF (which was so immense that it could have possibly made Revan invincible).
First: The so called "fact" is a lie.
Second: Revan used his military power and not his personal power to defeat the Republic hence "invincible" would refer to his forces and not to his personal power.
Third: We know that Kavar went to fight Malak and "barely escaped alive". Kavar was most likely the most proficient lightsaber user of the remaining Jedi (as head of their Guardians). So if he can't kill Malak...who would be able to defeat Revan who was superior to Malak in personal confrontation ?
2. You seem to think that Malak needing to drain the life off of the captive jedi to keep up with Revan says something bad about Malak. This just says great things about Revan and the SF.
Given that this fight doesn't happen on the Star Forge but a "flat hard surface" why do you even argue the SF's power, huh ? Nobody would have access to it since nobody would be on it in this battle.
On the Star Forge and with the ability to drain some Jedi's lifeforce stored there Revan might have a chance against Mace or Kyle (but given that Kyle was able to wipe the floor with Jerec's sorry ass while Jerec had a part of the power of the Valley of the Jedi I'd doubt that).