What powers must one possess to be "Herald Level" or "Skyfather"?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Do you mean "nail on the head"? Or nailed the coffin shut?

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Just wanted to know.

Now that is embarassing 😮 😮 Sorry im really tired !!!!!!!!! I mean Nail on the head !

Originally posted by UniOmni
But Odin isn't widely considered the most powerful skyfather in either company due to that stuff.
It's the galaxy destroying and multiverse shaking that nominates him.

That is an old comic, and few believe that he has that kind of power now. Not even galactus has multiverse shaking power. Multiverse shaking power makes the big bang look like a fire cracker, when you consider how big the multiverse is. Know I think most people think of the Thanos and Surfer incident when they relate to Odins power.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And Zeus had the fight well in hand.
Didn't blink to Mjnollir to the face, and supposedly fought for months.

I view the Zeus/Thor fight like i see the Thanos/Odin fight.
A decent stamina showing for Thor/Thanos, but the battle was clearly in the skyfathers hand.

But Odin was fighting Thanos, not someone who is on a low Herald / Superman level. And he was pretty dumb to let it go on for so long, he could have finished earlier. Im not doubting he couldn't im just syaing that it really doesn't say a lot about his power.

Originally posted by Validus
Very true. Just recently in Annihilation the Seekers were shown talking smack to Galactus yet running scared from Surfer. 😂

Looking at the feats list of each character, things are so interwined between high and low for ALL characters that nowadays it really is just about the writers preference.

Iron man defeating Sentry is a good example of this.

Originally posted by Validus
Very true. Just recently in Annihilation the Seekers were shown talking smack to Galactus yet running scared from Surfer. 😂

Looking at the feats list of each character, things are so interwined between high and low for ALL characters that nowadays it really is just about the writers preference.

Iron man defeating Sentry is a good example of this.

I see Thanos as Marvels version of Superman. Their status is as such to beat anyone anytime when needed somehow overcoming any characters powersets and abilities.

If they ever teamed up there wouldn't be a need for an IG or ALE.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I see Thanos as Marvels version of Superman. Their status is as such to beat anyone anytime when needed somehow overcoming any characters powersets and abilities.

If they ever teamed up there wouldn't be a need for an IG or ALE.

Actually the most undefeatable team that could be EVER assembled is:
- Superman - written by a superman fanboy. Plot device powers, everyone jobbing to him , ect.
- Bone claws Wolverine - Nuff said'
- Batman with prep time.

those 3 > anything Marvel, DC, Image, Darkhorse ect, can throw at them.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Looking at the feats list of each character, things are so interwined between high and low for ALL characters that nowadays it really is just about the writers preference.

Iron man defeating Sentry is a good example of this.

I see Thanos as Marvels version of Superman. Their status is as such to beat anyone anytime when needed somehow overcoming any characters powersets and abilities.

If they ever teamed up there wouldn't be a need for an IG or ALE.

So you tell me who beats more characters way above there natural abilities.

Originally posted by bigbran
How?
Thanos loses to characters, like Tyrant, Odin, Galactus.
Superman beat skyfather's all the time.

So you tell me who beats more characters way above there natural abilities.

Superman > Thanos ✅

Originally posted by Validus
Good point.

Superman > Thanos ✅

Originally posted by Validus
Good point.

Superman > Thanos ✅

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Just because a character hasnt shown a particular feat in 30 years dosnt mean they still couldent do it. Even Thor said that he didnt realize how powerful Odin was until now. He was even trying to figure out why Odin didnt just destroy Asgards enemys because he clearly had the power. Odin was never retconned or stated as being less powerful than befor. Also King Thor was never knocked out by a nuke. It destroyed the island and the next panel he was floating in the air pissed off. His outfit was trashed but thats it. Skyfather is a title that people have started useing for a powerset. The problem is that its not accurate. Not all Skyfathers are equal as all heralds are not equal.

See, I don't understand how one can say Superman is herald level. In my vast and wondrous mind, a "herald-cosmic" character MUST HAVE certain powers. Strength and speed are very, very low on must haves.

Must haves:
1:A high-end degree of Matter control/manipulation.
2: A high end degree of Telepathy, not just passive.
3:Nearly if not limitless power reserves.
4:Reality control to a medium range.
5:Time control to a medium range.

That's the top five and as you can see, none of those deal with brute power or strength. They come later:

1:Blasts that can destroy a planet.
2: Durability that can handle nearly anything thrown at them INCLUDING magic and physical.
3: Speed.
4: Something like a sixth sense.
5:High end strength.

And honestly, Superman only has #4,#3 and #5. Therefore, I can't honestly say he's cosmic/herald.

matter manipulation ala MM

superman prime anyone...?

1. all that and a bag of chips
2. created his own pantheon
3. 85,000 years of solar charged cells
4. was still more powerful than all the superman dynasty, tho over the centuries they had mixed with the 5th dimension and gained 5d power
5. he even amped up thier power at will

superman prime.....true skyfather

Originally posted by manjaro
and for herald level just take all the above and bring it down about 8-10 notches

8 -10 notches .... I dont think the Surfer is 8 - 10 notches behind the likes off Zeus and rama etc

Also many of the higher tier characters have feats that seem to be on par and above some the limits set by so called Sky father level beings. I think the general levels attributed to Skyfathers has to be revised. I mean Darksied is considered by many to be a Skyfather, and he's pawned consistently nowadays by Supes (Some generally considered below the Herald level). King Thor (Considered a very powerful skyfather), has shown limits that his classic rendition could surpass. IMO the whole matter needs to revised.

Originally posted by manjaro
superman prime anyone...?

1. all that and a bag of chips
2. created his own pantheon
3. 85,000 years of solar charged cells
4. was still more powerful than all the superman dynasty, tho over the centuries they had mixed with the 5th dimension and gained 5d power
5. he even amped up thier power at will

superman prime.....true skyfather

I think 1 million has a case for the Skyfather level aswell. I mean King Thor didn't do anything to suggest he was far superior to Superman 1 million

Originally posted by long pig
See, I don't understand how one can say Superman is herald level. In my vast and wondrous mind, a "herald-cosmic" character MUST HAVE certain powers. Strength and speed are very, very low on must haves.

Must haves:
1:A high-end degree of Matter control/manipulation.
2: A high end degree of Telepathy, not just passive.
3:Nearly if not limitless power reserves.
4:Reality control to a medium range.
5:Time control to a medium range.

That's the top five and as you can see, none of those deal with brute power or strength. They come later:

1:Blasts that can destroy a planet.
2: Durability that can handle nearly anything thrown at them INCLUDING magic and physical.
3: Speed.
4: Something like a sixth sense.
5:High end strength.

And honestly, Superman only has #4,#3 and #5. Therefore, I can't honestly say he's cosmic/herald.

Ok the only Herald that can safely say he qualifies in all those categories is the Surfer (Although many would suggest that he cannot handle moljnir, nearly aswell as you are stating). Infact very few Skyfathers have proven they can do all the above. You just prtesume they can, because Odin once 'one shotted' Surfer.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
8 -10 notches .... I dont think the Surfer is 8 - 10 notches behind the likes off Zeus and rama etc

Also many of the higher tier characters have feats that seem to be on par and above some the limits set by so called Sky father level beings. I think the general levels attributed to Skyfathers has to be revised. I mean Darksied is considered by many to be a Skyfather, and he's pawned consistently nowadays by Supes (Some generally considered below the Herald level). King Thor (Considered a very powerful skyfather), has shown limits that his classic rendition could surpass. IMO the whole matter needs to revised.

i was thinking in terms of galactus, i should have thought that thru some more...the gods of myth usually just have energy powers more than anything else..cuz if i were to go by Zeus, Odin, and maybe even an eternal or two (Zuras,Mentor) exclusively i would have to throw Dormammu in there too

Originally posted by long pig
See, I don't understand how one can say Superman is herald level. In my vast and wondrous mind, a "herald-cosmic" character MUST HAVE certain powers. Strength and speed are very, very low on must haves.

Must haves:
1:A high-end degree of Matter control/manipulation.
2: A high end degree of Telepathy, not just passive.
3:Nearly if not limitless power reserves.
4:Reality control to a medium range.
5:Time control to a medium range.

That's the top five and as you can see, none of those deal with brute power or strength. They come later:

1:Blasts that can destroy a planet.
2: Durability that can handle nearly anything thrown at them INCLUDING magic and physical.
3: Speed.
4: Something like a sixth sense.
5:High end strength.

And honestly, Superman only has #4,#3 and #5. Therefore, I can't honestly say he's cosmic/herald.

Originally posted by manjaro
superman prime anyone...?

1. all that and a bag of chips
2. created his own pantheon
3. 85,000 years of solar charged cells
4. was still more powerful than all the superman dynasty, tho over the centuries they had mixed with the 5th dimension and gained 5d power
5. he even amped up thier power at will

superman prime.....true skyfather

Didn't create his own pantheon. He came out the sun, and had a pantheon waiting for him.

And he was probably more powerful than the other supermen in some areas, but they still may have had the means to beat him.

Superman is called the most powerful being in this part of the space time continum, but we know Fate, GL and Zatanna would own him under the right circumstances.
Fanfare is just that. Fanfare.

And he didn't show any versatility that any skyfather i know has.

The variety of Darkseid, Izaya or Odin.

Why does Superman get a pass when he gets a powerup??

And Long pig, the list you described only matches the Surfers power list.
Thats the problem with herald level. It doesn't exist.

Many different heralds, but none are Surfer. Its just a title.

In all honesty most skyfathers have few feats. They usually dont resort to combat and this has been shown many times thru the years. In fact Odin probably has more on panel feats than any other skyfather. The only reason for that is he got more press. The marvel handbooks tell plenty on some skyfathers buts thats about it. In the case of King Thor he only had 20 or so issues and had few feats there.(caps shield was pretty awsome, no one's ever done that befor) Most skyfathers see combat as beneath them so they just set on thier thrones and rule. Skyfather is very missused term. Neither skyfather or herald are an accurate term at all.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And Long pig, the list you described only matches the Surfers power list.
Thats the problem with herald level. It doesn't exist.

Many different heralds, but none are Surfer. Its just a title.