Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus NEVER defeated Abraxas, Galactus was MURDERED by Abraxas time and time again.
"As I Killed your other elves throughout the Multi-verse"ONLY the Ultimate Nullifier (by DESTROYING and REMAKING the MULTI-VERSE) was ABLE to banish Abraxas.
The Ultimate Nullifier never conclusively remade the multiverse. You have been unable to provide a single scan or statement stating or conclusively depicting it doing so, depicting it beig a multiversal power.
Eternity is a timeline. Rebooting 616 to a certain point will undo everything that was done across the multiverse. It was factors in 616 which lead to Abraxas' release in the first place, reboot time and they never happened, he never got released.
Given that there has been no on panel display from the UN beyond the universal and given that it has always been presented as a universal power you have no justification behind presenting or even interpreting it as a multiversal power just to suit your transparent agenda.
Galactus contained the fully unleashed power of an overloaded U.N:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3107233
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3107271
Go by established continuity and interpret accordingly. 😄
Originally posted by Mr Master
Here are many Galactuses equal to Abraxas
oops...Uhh, sorry, That's the scan of Abraxas, after KILLING a bunch of Galactuses.
Youre making assumptions. You dont have a clue how those Galactuses stack up in terms of power to our Galactus, you dont have a clue about the circumstances behind these killings (i.e was it with his own power, was it with aid from the Novas, were the Galactuses at full power)
An alternate universe Galactus got squished by zombies who proceeded to chow down on him. Under the right circumstances Galactus can prove to be a pushover.
With that in mind, another dud point 👇
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's the Thing getting BLOWN away by Abraxas as if he were pollen.
Ummm 😕 who the hell is the Thing? 😂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Here's Galactus performing Feats beyond his power.
dag I did it again...Actually that's Reed and every other Reed in the Multi-verse DYING from a GESTURE made by Abraxas.
Thats speculation my friend, assumption, dont treat those as fact here. Its not depicted or stated how these Reeds were being pained, for all we know it was alternate universe Novas. Or as previously mentioned in the scans the death of Galactus lead to the doors of the multiverse being unhinged so the harming of Reed in 616 could had adverse effects on his counterparts. Inconclusive. Please bear that in mind. Ok?
Originally posted by Mr Master
ONLY the UN can banish Abraxas so...Abraxas only wanted the UN, so that No One in the "COMBINED UNIVERSES" could stop him.
With a weapon that could wipe out a universe in the blink of an eye its not surprising that he believes noone in the multiverse could stop him. Still not proof for a U.N abl eto wipe out the multiverse as a whole in one shot.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Abraxas Killed the Guardian of the MULTI-VERSE, with a kiss.Role doesnt equate to power im afraid so yet again dud point 👇
Roma has never been depicted through action as a powerhouse. Just to reiterate, role does NOT equate to power. Captain Universe and Quasar are guardians of the universe. Are they more powerful than Eternity? 🙄
[QUOTE=7206615]Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Abraxas's very existence causes Reality to fall apart
Casually he floats by and existence crumbles.
Yet again, more assumption without on panel backing to justify it. Roma said in your very own scans that Galactus' death unhinged the doors of the multiverse. From that point onwards there was talk of the multiverse being in trouble, realities crashing against each other. For all we know it was Galactus' death that was behind this as seemed to be the case. Can you find a statement marking out Abraxas' presence in realities resulting in them crumbling before him?
Good luck with that! 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So NO not like all of the other abstracts because the Phoenix Force itself doesnt die, it is a constant,
Nonsense, the scan clearly says, "This is HOW I came into being"...
She was born from the Big Bang like everything else.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
whereas the abstracts are spawned cyclically after the birth of a universe.
Abstracts survive the Big Bang as you know.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The scans state that she is the spark that ignites creation. They do not state that she is the spark that ignites the spark that spawns creation
Redefine the word "SPARK" all you want, everyone knows a "SPARK" starts a FIRE, a "SPARK" is NOT the Fire that is created from the "SPARK".
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just what do you think is the spark that ignites creation?
The same "SPARK" that ignites a Fire but is NOT the Fire itself.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It doesnt say its limited to one universe. That is something you've added.
Interesting how I added it, though the Watcher is CLEARLY talking about ONE Universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yes Phoenix is marked out by the captions as the "SPARK THAT BRINGS THE COSMOS INTO BEING." It is the power that births a reality.
A "SPARK" is MERELY a piece of the puzzle in creating a Universe.
Just like it is for a LIGHTER to create Fire.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Is Phoenixes role not stated to be the perpetuator of the creation cycle?
Phoenix merely carries out a duty, nothing more.
We have other Entities that can create Universes, STARS, PLANETS and LIFE and the whole nine.
Heck 5 Cosmic Cubes CREATED a DUPLICATE of the 616 UNIVERSE.
Where is the Phoenix needed here?
Go ahead answer that?
IF WE HAVE OTHER BEINGS THAT CAN "SPAWN" REALITY...
WHAT IS THE POINT OF PHOENIX?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting how I added it, though the Watcher is CLEARLY talking about ONE Universe.
Where is the Phoenix needed here?Go ahead answer that?
IF WE HAVE OTHER BEINGS THAT CAN "SPAWN" REALITY...
WHAT IS THE POINT OF PHOENIX?
See here your getting upset and rude again, he stopped being rude and you had to be nasty back to him. And don't get so upset, its just a figurative disscussion about comic book characters.
Passion doesn't have to spill over into rudeness and overt anger.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again i ask you what event do you believe starts off a universal life cycle?Who is marked out as the power behind this cycle?
Uhh, I don't know, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet?
He became Eternity the UNIVERSE
Thanos with ONE Cosmic Cube?
Thanos made himself into a UNIVERSE, GALAXIES, STARS, PLANETS the whole nine.
5 Cosmic Containment Units?
They Made a DUPLICATE of the 616 UNIVERSE, the one you pointed out the Watcher was talking about.
Thanos with the HOTU
Pic speaks for itself.
Insane Genis-Vell...
(working on those scans)
I'm not sure gs, pick one.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reed never said Maybe the Big Bang was the Phoenix Force, he cast no doubt in it being the Phoenix Force.
😆
But you'l cast doubt on this:
Is it me, or did you accuse me of being "selective"?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Another example of you either misinterpreting scans or selectively acknowledging whatever you want to from them whilst bypassing other relevant points still to be found. The Force being described as one of the primal forces in no way disputes it being the life force of reality. Does Phoenix being referred to as one of the X-men dispute the point that she was their most powerful member?
I knew it wouldn't be too long before..blahblah
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Again, an example of you hearing what you want to hear and seeing what you want to see. Who said Galactus would've survived? Who said he would even be around? The Watcher expressed doubt over whether Galactus would survive" Can even you endure such desolation?"
When ever you defend yourself with gibberish, you get the smilies.
yawn
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Also once again you've got the wrong end of the stick. This is becoming quite the habit young squire.
😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Any being formed from the matter and energy contained within reality would be derivative of the Phoenix Force.
Let's not forgert:
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
Thanos with the Heart of the Infinite
ONE or more Cosmic Cubes
Insane Genis-Vell
Captain Marvel in the X series
Dr Strange when he had the power of Shuma Gorath
Roma with the Celestial Nullifier
Reed with the Ultimate Nullifier
and we can't forget Mad Jim Jaspers
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It stands to reason to any idiot (or at least i presumed so) that when manifesting into reality it obviously wouldn’t be beyond reality?
Insult me, but I burn you with the facts.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix in its natural state exists simultaneously as a part of time and space and yet beyond it as well
Phony.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Avatars who despite not being the sum total of the Phoenix Force are capable of amputating futures and manipulating realities in the palm of their hands
Neither the Jean nor the Avatars, can "manipulating realities in the palm of their hands"
Like the way you made that up.
According to X-Men 154, Jean was able to "amputate the future", but it took her time, enough time that her dear friends were being MURDERED by Sublime in the mean time,
and it wasn't even a perfect job at that, since she had to repair the Future "Atom by Atom".
You always thought it was the Orphan Universe she was repairing. 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I love how you've taken WhiteWitchKings post and altered the words and ried to present it as your own.
First of all B*tch... don't accuse me of anything again, if you feel like your backed up against a corner and can't respond to the post, just stay shut.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As i handled his post in our previous debate on the matter so i will handle this rehash.
I don't even know what your talking about.
But WhiteWitchKing has OWNED you time and time again.
Keep his NAME OUT of our debates, and keep MY Name OUT of your debates with bigbran, amongst others.
Your being a real b*cth by doing that.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As i handled his post in our previous debate on the matter so i will handle this rehash.
Handle it now dude...
Try and handle it now...
Explain your way out of this one...
I studied this issue indepth, telling me I got this from other sources...biatch, you gots nerve.
From X-Men #154
A Bacteria called Sublime, took over Hank's (Beast) mind, and a portion of Phoenix's power
Here Sublime thinks he will control creation with Phoenix's power and his own.
But actually Phoenix was disinfecting the Bacteria while Sublime was killing other X-Men
Here Phoenix extracts Sublime from Hank's body
Phoenix SAYS, "SURGERY COMPLETE"
Here Phoenix says, "Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue...I had to Amputate the whole Future"
Jean is told, "Phoenix DISINFECTION Successful"
Jean then asks, "Now What"?
Ok,
We know that by Phoenix cutting off the Future, the Infection, which was Sublime, was destroyed, but the EVENTS that took place, have NOT been changed.
And NOW, Phoenix is asking what's next? Or more specifically, "Now What"?
It tells Jean, "This is Now" (yellow energy in her hands)
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future"?
It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" (the Future)
It continues to say, "Patient will die unless internal heart damage repaired"
The "Patient" is the FUTURE still at this point apparently.
Which is why Phoenix says, "But it didn't have to END like that, my Friends didn't deserve that." (some even died), the ONLY thing that has ENDED is the Future since Phoenix Amputated it.
It then says, "No, Turn around, No End yet, there, Turn, Here before always, HOSPITAL White Hot (It's a hospital for Universes)
This is ACTUALLY the process taking place of a FUTURE being Repaired, because it HAS NO Future since Phoenix Amputated it.
Jean loses concentration and she is reminded to "Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE"
"Heart got stuck", (Because she Wasn't concentrating) Turn (some kinda White Hot Room code word for, "keep on fixing"😉
Now after that, we end up with this.
It tells Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training, NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."
"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms"?... of WHAT Atoms?
The ONLY action I've seen, is A Future being repaired.
It's actually talking about the FUTURE that was just repaired.
This leads to this, and as you can read, has nothing to do with the former.
It tells Jean, "It lost it's parents when Unity broke out across the Megasystems"
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying? What is it?"
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe...Phoenix work"
What the hell does that mean?....Jean Grey is just as LOST as I am.
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?
It TELLS Phoenix WHAT that means,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
It's just telling Jean the outcome of "Here Comers Tomorrow", the Future that is Now, this is WHY it's a "badly wounded Orphan Universe" due to "Phoenix Work"
THAT'S WHAT that meant ALL this time? hysterical2
I thought it was an injured Universe she repaired atom by atom, but EVIDENTLY NOT.
