MXY and Anti Monitor vs Classic Beyonder

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Basically, i'm saying, to say that the beyonder is more powerful than the DC megaverse is not so. The beyonder doesn't have that type of power. Especially if he is just the writer. The writer can't write anything over at DC as he does not have ANY authority at all. So if the beyonder is the writer, he instantly looses all power in the dc universe. Nothing else needs to be said.

beyonder takes this but not easily

Okay quick summary.

Omniverse. All of Comics.
Megaverse: a "corporation" of comics.. ie DC or Marvel, a collection of multiverses, whether similar or dissimlar, however owned by a singular "corporation",
Multiverse: a collection of likeminded similar universes, ie the Vertigo, Image, Wildstorm, Marvel, New Universe, DC
Universe: A single universe, of the multiverse, contained within a megaverse, which is a part of the omniverse.

In terms of scales of power. Pre retcon beyonder is stating as coming from beyond the stated marvel multiverse.. and having the power of millions of multiverses... He was shown, onpanel, to outstrip even LT in power (at least until he was retconned)

In DC Presence is tops, then you have his angels.. which rule over the separate dimensions... mr. mxy comes from the 5th dimension.. and runs like a jerk from 10th dimension galaxy devouring beings. Yet he loses powerwise to spectre, onpanel. And in a elseworlds comic was the only time he and batmite destroyed the multiverse. Also since it is commonly stated that Elseworlds are DC's equivalent of Marvel's What If's... it means its not cannon. Unless there is evidence in cannon comics referencing the destruction of the multiverse. Or evidence of Mr. Mxy doing same in current DC continuity. Its just not true. Btw.. think this one out... if current continuity shows that 10th dimensions imps are more powerful than 5th dimension imps... and 10th dimension imps can destroy universes with effort... how is it possible that without any effort whatsoever, a lesser being, a 5th dimension imp, do the same. No answer? because it didn't happen. IE. Illusion. Trick. Lie. NON cannon.

Originally posted by rotiart
Okay quick summary.

Omniverse. All of Comics.
Megaverse: a "corporation" of comics.. ie DC or Marvel, a collection of multiverses, whether similar or dissimlar, however owned by a singular "corporation",
Multiverse: a collection of likeminded similar universes, ie the Vertigo, Image, Wildstorm, Marvel, New Universe, DC
Universe: A single universe, of the multiverse, contained within a megaverse, which is a part of the omniverse.

Wait, that doesn't make sense. If the chaos wave from Marvel hadn't been stopped(for some stupid reason), there's no way DC would shut down just because the 'omniverse' was destroted.

which is why some stuff is bunk in marvel. Ie. roma is called the omniversal guardian... but she has never made an appearance in dc. in all honestly she should be renamed ot multiversal... cause she also has never shown her influence in new universe or ultraverse.

Originally posted by rotiart
which is why some stuff is bunk in marvel. Ie. roma is called the omniversal guardian... but she has never made an appearance in dc. in all honestly she should be renamed ot multiversal... cause she also has never shown her influence in new universe or ultraverse.

So why consider them part of the same omniverse? I know that omniverse is supposed to mean EVERYTHING, but doesn't it make more since for it just to mean everything in Marvel. To my knowledge the companies have never refered to them being in the same omniverse.

Double post.

typically they refer to their multiverse... sometimes it appears that the writers think of their multiverse as the omniverse.. as its all there is according to their comics... excluding crossovers... thats why i refer to things as omni, mega, multi, and uni. they are part of the same omniverse... in the fact that they are all comics.. with heroes... run by multimillion (billion?) dollar corporations. ideally they are the same... thats why they are part of the same omniverse... in fact you can also include indie comics as part of the omniverse.. .but each comic... generally has its own universe...

MR. mxy has never shown any limit to his powers. And worlds funnest is Cannon. Becuz ever single mxy appearance and book is about him and his pranks. THey are all cannon becuz they are all in character and in tune with the fact that his powers are limitless. There isn't even proof that the beyonder can take over the universe. It's only stated. We know mxy can not only destroy the multiverse but recreate it with ease. There is no limit to mxy's power and there fore I cna't see the beyonder beating him. No amount of arguing from marvelites, no amoutn of what they think the writers said, no amoung of what marvel said the beyonder was is going to prove anythign to me until they show the beyonder actually taking over the universe, actually destroying it and remaking it and actually fighting the universal abstract. all of his supposed power is pure speculation. He hasn't shown anything on panel that thanos couldn't do with the ig.

And per The Kingdom and Infinite Crisis, all of DC is cannon. Every single tale. Which is why Precrisis supes and superboy were still in existance as well as powergirl and the old diana prince. I can't even see a way for the beyonder to punk mxy. Mxy would laugh at him and turn him into a cosmic cube.

elseworlds are canon? 😕

Originally posted by leonidas
elseworlds are canon? 😕

They were all part of the multi verse that was the kingdom.IN the Kingdom, all of it was real. Even the else world's tales. Hell even in what if, the Living tribunal was the same one from the prime marvel universe.

Every universe is cannon unto itself. In the multi-verse, the main realities have the stage, but each world is cannon. But the mxy story is different becuz it doesn't make any difference, he wiped out all of the multiverses that was DC. And then put it back in place. Given that every single reality is cannon on it's own, when someone wipes them all out, and makes note of each of the infinite universes, it has to also be cannon for all of them since he did it to ALL of them.

Okay... well screw the beyonder. Squirrel girl kills your guy, cause noones ever been able to defeat squirrel girl!!!

I REFERENCE XMAS SPECIAL ONESHOT WHAT IF'S AS CANNON!

So you refuse to admit the onpanel proof that even Living Tribunal was in awe of the power held by Beyonder. That every cosmic being including Eternity was in fear of Beyonder, and that their only hope was Molecule Man, a person who they revered. The ENTIRE watcher race plead, begged for help from Molecule Man. And still Molecule Man was insufficient to the task set upon him. This is 616 Marvel Universe. Not a what if?. DC used to have stories which they labeled as "Imaginary Stories". That ended in the 1980's. Do you know what happened to it? They renamed "Imaginary Stories" to "Elseworlds".

Jesus Christ. IT IS NOT CANNON.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They were all part of the multi verse that was the kingdom.IN the Kingdom, all of it was real. Even the else world's tales. Hell even in what if, the Living tribunal was the same one from the prime marvel universe.

Every universe is cannon unto itself. In the multi-verse, the main realities have the stage, but each world is cannon. But the mxy story is different becuz it doesn't make any difference, he wiped out all of the multiverses that was DC. And then put it back in place. Given that every single reality is cannon on it's own, when someone wipes them all out, and makes note of each of the infinite universes, it has to also be cannon for all of them since he did it to ALL of them.

It's not canon. Elseworld is in their little bubble. Every universe in an Elseworld is not canon. It's like a What If but does not exist inside the DC multiverse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elseworlds

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok so what does that have to do with mxy's? powers? NOthing. The marvel abstracts are a joke to mxy. They mean nothing. They are actually just metaphysical representations of the forces of the universe. these things mean nothing to mxy as he can bend every thing to his whim. so the beyonder punking the marvel abstracts does not impress mxy. Mxy wouldn't even bother punking the abstracts. he would just do what he wants to do for fun and then put it all back. The abstracts wouldn't even know he played with them if he didnt' want them to.

Can you prove the abstracts are a joke to Mxy? The guy has one feat that's not even canon and he's above the abstracts? He's not. He exist in the 5th dimension where as Eternity and the other abstracts exist in different levels. They fought Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet on different "multi-level plane of existence." They meet with the Tribunal at the 16th dimension. Galactus and Agamotto's fight was wrecking dimesions. Neither of them are abstract level.

Like I said, show me on PANEL the beyonder destroying the entire multiverse and then putting all back together again, and then he's in mxy's league, until then, it's all superlative fanboy marvelism. [/B]

Can you show where it says elseworlds are canon?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok so what does that have to do with mxy's? powers? NOthing. The marvel abstracts are a joke to mxy. They mean nothing. They are actually just metaphysical representations of the forces of the universe. these things mean nothing to mxy as he can bend every thing to his whim. so the beyonder punking the marvel abstracts does not impress mxy. Mxy wouldn't even bother punking the abstracts. he would just do what he wants to do for fun and then put it all back. The abstracts wouldn't even know he played with them if he didnt' want them to. Like I said, show me on PANEL the beyonder destroying the entire multiverse and then putting all back together again, and then he's in mxy's league, until then, it's all superlative fanboy marvelism.

you also claim beyonder only does universal feats...... and on and on..........if you don't know the basics no point having an argument.

am not trying to be rude...... but what do you what me do post scans........ you don't seem to believe it

Amen...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
MR. mxy has never shown any limit to his powers. And worlds funnest is Cannon. Becuz ever single mxy appearance and book is about him and his pranks. THey are all cannon becuz they are all in character and in tune with the fact that his powers are limitless. There isn't even proof that the beyonder can take over the universe. It's only stated. We know mxy can not only destroy the multiverse but recreate it with ease. There is no limit to mxy's power and there fore I cna't see the beyonder beating him. No amount of arguing from marvelites, no amoutn of what they think the writers said, no amoung of what marvel said the beyonder was is going to prove anythign to me until they show the beyonder actually taking over the universe, actually destroying it and remaking it and actually fighting the universal abstract. all of his supposed power is pure speculation. He hasn't shown anything on panel that thanos couldn't do with the ig.

And per The Kingdom and Infinite Crisis, all of DC is cannon. Every single tale. Which is why Precrisis supes and superboy were still in existance as well as powergirl and the old diana prince. I can't even see a way for the beyonder to punk mxy. Mxy would laugh at him and turn him into a cosmic cube.

GOOD LORD> I guess GOD/TOAA/Presence is nothing compared to MXY. Hey everyone. Look at the very definition of fanboy.

Pre R Beyonder takes this with extreme ease.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
It's not canon. Elseworld is in their little bubble. Every universe in an Elseworld is not canon. It's like a What If but does not exist inside the DC multiverse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elseworlds

Originally posted by rotiart
if current continuity shows that 10th dimensions imps are more powerful than 5th dimension imps... and 10th dimension imps can destroy universes with effort... how is it possible that without any effort whatsoever, a lesser being, a 5th dimension imp, do the same. No answer? because it didn't happen. IE. Illusion. Trick. Lie. NON cannon.