Grey Hulk takes on Mr. Fantastic
Wolverine Takes on Thing
Spiderman Takes on Human Torch
Ghostrider takes on Invisible Woman.
Grey Hulk out stretches mr. F faster than he is prepared for it, and mr. f passes out as he's been shown to do before.
Wolverine has cut the thing before and hurt him badly. Thing does not have a healing factor, and eventually wolverine would chip away at the thing until he's nothing but rubble.
Ghostrider vs. IW. IW spent time as Malice and he'd make her feel the pain of innocents through his penance stare. There would be little Malice could do to the near invulnerability of Ghostrider.
Spiderman would be able to dodge any blasts HT would be willing to toss. Since HT isn't known exactly for going nova against heroes, or villains other than uber's/cosmics... he isn't gonna be doing that to Spiderman. Spiderman has easily rounded on guys like Electro before, so intense heat blasts won't mean much to Spidey as he'll easily dodge, and get a highspeed swift kick to johnny's head, knocking him out like a beer bottle to the noggin!
New FF4 for the win.
Originally posted by rotiart
Grey Hulk takes on Mr. Fantastic
Wolverine Takes on Thing
Spiderman Takes on Human Torch
Ghostrider takes on Invisible Woman.Grey Hulk out stretches mr. F faster than he is prepared for it, and mr. f passes out as he's been shown to do before.
Wolverine has cut the thing before and hurt him badly. Thing does not have a healing factor, and eventually wolverine would chip away at the thing until he's nothing but rubble.
Ghostrider vs. IW. IW spent time as Malice and he'd make her feel the pain of innocents through his penance stare. There would be little Malice could do to the near invulnerability of Ghostrider.
Spiderman would be able to dodge any blasts HT would be willing to toss. Since HT isn't known exactly for going nova against heroes, or villains other than uber's/cosmics... he isn't gonna be doing that to Spiderman. Spiderman has easily rounded on guys like Electro before, so intense heat blasts won't mean much to Spidey as he'll easily dodge, and get a highspeed swift kick to johnny's head, knocking him out like a beer bottle to the noggin!
New FF4 for the win.
First...
Reed beats Hulk.
He could go inside of Hulk and expand until Hulk exploded 😐
Second, in a non-PIS fight, Ben wins the majority over Wolverine. Logan isnt strong enough to stab Ben in the heart. He can cut Ben, but thats about it.
Third, Torch beats Spidey hands down.
Last, Sue can and will beat GR.
Originally posted by Grimm22
First...Reed beats Hulk.
He could go inside of Hulk and expand until Hulk exploded 😐
Second, in a non-PIS fight, Ben wins the majority over Wolverine. Logan isnt strong enough to stab Ben in the heart. He can cut Ben, but thats about it.
Third, Torch beats Spidey hands down.
Last, Sue can and will beat GR.
And you base all of that on WHAT exactly. Reed has never done what you suggest to hulk. not once. not ever. don't make things up. its not in character.
Ben wins over wolverine, when wolverine goes toe to toe with hulk, and what saves hulk (since he's slow) is his healing factor??
ben wins when wolverine can make even guys like colossus worry about getting hurt? Wolverine, who recently cut off the silver samurais arm.. and downed War Hulk?
Spiderman dodges guys like venom, dr octopus, electro, the shocker. And human torch in character is not doing to spidey what he does to blastaar. In fact, HT hardly goes nova. And spidey with his spidey sense can now get in close while dodging the attacks, and nail HT.
...... You're basing IW winning over GR on nothing. There is nothing she can do to hurt GR. While the penance stare vs a character who used to be malice... would do a lot.
fanboyism at its finest! 💃 😆 😱 😎
Originally posted by Grimm22
First...Reed beats Hulk.
He could go inside of Hulk and expand until Hulk exploded 😐
Second, in a non-PIS fight, Ben wins the majority over Wolverine. Logan isnt strong enough to stab Ben in the heart. He can cut Ben, but thats about it.
Third, Torch beats Spidey hands down.
Last, Sue can and will beat GR.
Agreed on all except the last one. Sue can do nothing to GR, while GR could butcher Sue, assuming he wanted to.
you guys don't even think it would be a debate over reed beating hulk...
consider it takes the entire avengers.. and ff4 to stop the hulk on a CONSISTENT basis. reed has NEVER, not once, not ever, singlehandedly taken the hulk, any version.
show me one instance and i'lll say your ff4 beats this new one 10/10. hell i'll say 100/10. til then new ff4 wins 7/10.
Originally posted by rotiart
you guys don't even think it would be a debate over reed beating hulk...
consider it takes the entire avengers.. and ff4 to stop the hulk on a CONSISTENT basis. reed has NEVER, not once, not ever, singlehandedly taken the hulk, any version.show me one instance and i'lll say your ff4 beats this new one 10/10. hell i'll say 100/10. til then new ff4 wins 7/10.
Its completely apparent that you know little to nothing about the FF and not only underestimating the FF as a team, but as indivuals.
Take your blaitent disrespect for the FF somewhere else 😒
oh quiet you. you know nothing about my stance on the FF4. just because i'm not a fanboy doesn't mean i don't know them. Proven methods of disabling reed, you're now stating are moot, and not usable in this contest. you're the one being foolish. Yes the FF4 are a cohesive team who tend to work well together, but you always have 4 seasoned fighters on the other side. But then again, they usually also have another advantage they won't in this case, prep. In almost every "fighting" situation, there comes a time when reed has to come up with some kind of scientific solution to resolve the battle. That option does not exist here. It isn't a cosmic foe, for which they need to create a cannon. It isn't a foe for which they need to create an extradimensional portal. In this case its just a fight. Seasoned Heroes against Seasoned Heroes.
You give no examples of how the FF4 can win, but you create a scenario where reed goes INSIDE of Hulk. Something Reed has never done to another living creature and expand himself. EVER. Don't misquote me, he hasn't done it.
You're creating fantasies that never happened to make it PLAUSIBLE the old ff4 win. I'm creating the scenarios that show why the new could, and probably would win.
Invisible woman could contain the ff4, but that would require her maintaining a shield, and she isn't the type that crushes living opponents. even if she were to try to suffocate them, hulk, wolverine and gr would not be affected due to 1 healing factors/ immunity.
HT going nova. wolverine and hulk have come back skeletons. Hulk from ash. Little has been some that could hurt GR.
Understand? Highly durable team, vs highly flexible team. Flexibility does not always win the day. Sometimes you need to specialize to do it.
Originally posted by Grimm22
Its completely apparent that you know little to nothing about the FF and not only underestimating the FF as a team, but as indivuals.Take your blaitent disrespect for the FF somewhere else 😒
The hulk by himself has gone against the ENTIRE FF4 and not been beaten, and you mean to tell me 1 member of the team is gonna do what the whole could not.
Thats like when Thor fought Hulk, and lost his hammer. He then said "Lets fists alone do what my hammer could not" to paraphrase....
I'm starting to think you know little to nothing about the Marvel Universe.
Originally posted by Grimm22
First...Reed beats Hulk.
He could go inside of Hulk and expand until Hulk exploded 😐
Second, in a non-PIS fight, Ben wins the majority over Wolverine. Logan isnt strong enough to stab Ben in the heart. He can cut Ben, but thats about it.
Third, Torch beats Spidey hands down.
Last, Sue can and will beat GR.
HT vs Spidey. Likely spidey will lose.
But reed vs. hulk. that scenario has never been used in 40 years of comics by reed.
wolverine doesn't have to stab ben in the heart, he'll keep slicing away pieces of ben, you you whittle down wood. Ben seem pretty freaking pained when he caught in the face from wolverine. 😆
Sue as malice could do some damage to GR. but not as IW. GR. just has to get off a penace stare, and sue would go down.
Hulk and Reed did fight in a comic once before. This was in the contest of champions if I recall correctly. Reed kept dodging Hulk's blows, then Hulk said he would pull the "rubber man" appart. Reed knew his body's elasticity isn't unlimited so he decided to attack. He wrapped around Hulk, trying to suffocate him.. It was no good as Hulk literally breathed him in. Reed was stuck inside of Hulk's massive throat unable to do anything. (He couldn't have expanded as Hulk's durability is apparently too much for him) Finally Hulk spat Reed out and was decladred as a winner.
i swear hulk can stand nova flame ............and thing says he cant kill be killed or summin
i'm pretty sure thing would survive megaton bombs, with that said hulk is morew durable.
also i rmeber mr fantastic wrapping hulk all over covering his face , hulk inhales him and spat him out....dunno where this is from though
Originally posted by rotiart
oh quiet you. you know nothing about my stance on the FF4. just because i'm not a fanboy doesn't mean i don't know them. Proven methods of disabling reed, you're now stating are moot, and not usable in this contest. you're the one being foolish. Yes the FF4 are a cohesive team who tend to work well together, but you always have 4 seasoned fighters on the other side. But then again, they usually also have another advantage they won't in this case, prep. In almost every "fighting" situation, there comes a time when reed has to come up with some kind of scientific solution to resolve the battle. That option does not exist here. It isn't a cosmic foe, for which they need to create a cannon. It isn't a foe for which they need to create an extradimensional portal. In this case its just a fight. Seasoned Heroes against Seasoned Heroes.You give no examples of how the FF4 can win, but you create a scenario where reed goes INSIDE of Hulk. Something Reed has never done to another living creature and expand himself. EVER. Don't misquote me, he hasn't done it.
You're creating fantasies that never happened to make it PLAUSIBLE the old ff4 win. I'm creating the scenarios that show why the new could, and probably would win.
Invisible woman could contain the ff4, but that would require her maintaining a shield, and she isn't the type that crushes living opponents. even if she were to try to suffocate them, hulk, wolverine and gr would not be affected due to 1 healing factors/ immunity.
HT going nova. wolverine and hulk have come back skeletons. Hulk from ash. Little has been some that could hurt GR.
Understand? Highly durable team, vs highly flexible team. Flexibility does not always win the day. Sometimes you need to specialize to do it.
Good post. 👆
Originally posted by Grimm22
Its completely apparent that you know little to nothing about the FF and not only underestimating the FF as a team, but as indivuals.Take your blaitent disrespect for the FF somewhere else 😒
no one is underestimating anyone we all know the original ff4 are great as a team but if they get separated then what?