Prove to me that you have a soul.

Originally posted by Regret
I have often pointed out (to those Christians that attack my faith because of lack of evidence) that the Bible has no evidence supporting its truth or accuracy of events in the eyes of an individual that does not believe it. Evidence that people or places exist/ed does not validate the claims the Bible makes. Any belief in the Bible is only due to faith, a hope, that it is true. Personally I believe it, and the evidences of places and peoples' existence is nice, but one must admit what one lacks, and there is a lack of evidence for any system of religious belief.

I supposed you have faith that evolution exists? no?

Originally posted by O Green World
I knew there would be a question like that, but that's because you don't believe there is a god, so then you forget what a god IS.

God, can do what he likes, for however long he wants to do it, making the world in six days is no different.

The same with the others, H20 has 02 in it, which is obviously why it says he seperated the sky from the waters. He doesn't need to do it our way, by heating it up until it boils 🙄 .

He doesn't need to make people our way either, and since we don't even know how to, let's not question his ability 🙂

and to mention how the islands split is irrelivant to the point the bible is trying to bring across!

Err, but again... all of that is nothing to do with science, and everything to do with faith.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Err, but again... all of that is nothing to do with science, and everything to do with faith.

O....k....

So it isn't true that the earths a large sphere floating in nothing, 02 isn't part of H20, man isn't made of the same things as earth, all not true, it isn't science

Although iget your point god himself can only be believed, because he can't be physically proven, but the stories of him have facts that make it less hard to believe.

(refers you to my points above about a. your interpretation and b. stating facts not necessarily being a result of science)

Originally posted by O Green World
I supposed you have faith that evolution exists? no?

No, there is evidence suggesting evolution occurred. Given this, some form of evolution did occur. I am unsure if there is sufficient to state species to species, but it is the general scientific conclusion, so such is possible. I believe that since there is evidence of it occurring, it is probable that God could have used it as method to portions of, if not the entire, creation of all living organism. But the God portion of my statements is faith.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
(refers you to my points above about a. your interpretation and b. stating facts not necessarily being a result of science)

Lol, things you believe can come true, and sometimes are, so yet again, what's with everyone and the "I am right!"s? lol

Originally posted by O Green World
Lol, things you believe can come true, and sometimes are, so yet again, what's with everyone and the "I am right!"s? lol

We aren't stating that we are right, we are stating that there is not proof. It is entirely possible that the world was created by furry pink elephants that sucked the life out of the green jelly monster and then crapped out the universe in a vacuum that exists in their toilet, but there is absolutely no proof or evidence to support such an idea.

Originally posted by Regret
We aren't stating that we are right, we are stating that there is not proof. It is entirely possible that the world was created by furry pink elephants that sucked the life out of the green jelly monster and then crapped out the universe in a vacuum that exists in their toilet, but there is absolutely no proof or evidence to support such an idea.

😱 i feel enlightened! lol

I know you didn't say that you are right but many people hav just said asthough they actually knew, which they don't.
Belief is just as likely as theory, sort of the same thing is the belief came from a book, or a person who did miracles...

Big things the Bible said was true, that's proof enough for me, so if that was true, the fact it says a god did it was true aswell as far as i'm concerned, and until proven otherwise that is where i rest.

Originally posted by O Green World
😱 i feel enlightened! lol

I know you didn't say that you are right but many people hav just said asthough they actually knew, which they don't.
Belief is just as likely as theory, sort of the same thing is the belief came from a book, or a person who did miracles...

Big things the Bible said was true, that's proof enough for me, so if that was true, the fact it says a god did it was true aswell as far as i'm concerned, and until proven otherwise that is where i rest.

Most people reserve their opinion until they have proof, you seem to be doing it the other way around.

Originally posted by O Green World
Wait, don't you think my aim in the first place was to get this specific message across? that you should not disprove something you can't, innocent until proven guilty

Yeah...exactly...there is no soul until you can prove one. YOu can't even understand what you're saying.

I think my other points have been covered, especially by Ush.

Originally posted by O Green World
😱 i feel enlightened! lol

Woot, another convert to Nellie-the-Elephantism!!!

Originally posted by O Green World
I know you didn't say that you are right but many people hav just said asthough they actually knew, which they don't.
Belief is just as likely as theory, sort of the same thing is the belief came from a book, or a person who did miracles...

Here though, we are only discussing proof and evidence. Given this, possibility, belief and faith basis are neither proof or evidence to those you are speaking. Evidence and proof must be valid to those you are discussing them with, otherwise the use of such is without cause. When speaking to JIA, your arguments are valid, sometimes they are valid, unless of course my faith and belief conflicts with yours. But with Alliance and Shaky, a Biblical belief or faith is not evidence and is not compelling, it is not a valid method of debate.

Originally posted by O Green World
:Big things the Bible said was true, that's proof enough for me, so if that was true, the fact it says a god did it was true aswell as far as i'm concerned, and until proven otherwise that is where i rest.

The "as far as I'm concerned" is the crux. It is only valid to the point that you and others that believe as you do are concerned. If you speak with anyone else as it being evidence it shows stupidity in that you are either ignorant or without comprehension of their view. An intelligent conversation with someone that does not believe as you do will be based in comments that both understand or agree upon with statements that are not agreed upon being prefaced with an "I believe..." or "It is my opinion that..." Christians seem unable to do this, they say, "The world was created in six days", and are responded to with, " no, it was not." In my experience it is typically the Christian that starts the statement of belief and faith as absolute.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So because the bible said you have a soul, then you have one. Is that correct?

Not what I said, Shaky....

..tied it into the stigmata.

When you fall down and get an ouwie, I don't get your wounds, do I. Likewise, you don't get mine. We wouldn't get each others if we tried...even if we prayed to each other.

Why then should anyone get the wounds of someone like Christ, if they're not ardent followers? Just because? I think not.

Answer: because they are following the way of a person who said He came to save our souls. I tied in physical evidence with verbal evidence.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Not what I said, Shaky....

..tied it into the stigmata.

When you fall down and get an ouwie, I don't get your wounds, do I. Likewise, you don't get mine. We wouldn't get each others if we tried...even if we prayed to each other.

Why then should anyone get the wounds of someone like Christ, if they're not ardent followers? Just because? I think not.

Answer: because they are following the way of a person who said He came to save our souls. I tied in physical evidence with verbal evidence.

I wasn't saying what you said, I was asking you a question.

The rest of the post, I didn't understand what your point was, sorry.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wasn't saying what you said, I was asking you a question.

The rest of the post, I didn't understand what your point was, sorry.

Okay, the Bible saying I have a soul doens't necessarily make it so that I have a soul. Now, if one chooses to believe it that is fine; and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them either. That would be their perogative. Does that help clarify?

Originally posted by BobbyD
Okay, the Bible saying I have a soul doens't necessarily make it so that I have a soul. Now, if one chooses to believe it that is fine; and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them either. That would be their perogative. Does that help clarify?

Cool. I just wanted to know where you are coming from. I think your point of view is wiser then blind faith.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Cool. I just wanted to know where you are coming from. I think your point of view is wiser then blind faith.

While it may be wiser, it is up to follower to understand why and how he/she gets to its end.

I think anyway. 😕

Here!*strips to his soul* Convinced?

Originally posted by Madman_V3N0M
Here!*strips to his soul* Convinced?

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