Hey Shaky. That was very interesting, However (you knew I wouldn't let you win on that one post did ya? *smiles*) I understand completely what you are saying there, but what then do you make of the undeniable simularilties in these near death testimonies? Would the accounts not be vastly different if each of our brains is making it's own "lack of oxygen" vsisions or pictures? I am wondering my friend, what do you say the the simularities in the accounts of these people.
Marc 🙂
I think Shakys idea of soul is just put in different terms like entity (not sure though) Part of the whole ? We are not separate but part of something bigger....Well anyway that is how I feel. Like my ol analogy our body is the whole, our cells are only parts of it. They really are not aware of each other or their purpose, yet they all have an important purpose, yet they are still part of the "Whole"...the body.....The "Whole" I would call the "Source"..and we are part of it.
Originally posted by marcu
Hey Shaky. That was very interesting, However (you knew I wouldn't let you win on that one post did ya? *smiles*) I understand completely what you are saying there, but what then do you make of the undeniable simularilties in these near death testimonies? Would the accounts not be vastly different if each of our brains is making it's own "lack of oxygen" vsisions or pictures? I am wondering my friend, what do you say the the simularities in the accounts of these people.Marc 🙂
The accounts are of perceptual nature, bright lights, floating sensations, etc. A universal type of perceptual experience should be anticipated due to probable sequence of areas that lose oxygen. The loss of oxygen in the brain should follow the same course regardless of the subject. Anomalies should be small in nature, and such is the case with NDEs. Typically the overall experiences are similar with slight variations in memory related portions. Even memory aspects of the NDE visions should be similar as it should be assumed that memory and other aspects of thought are organized similarly across the majority of subjects. Aspects that should vary would depend on clots etc. being varied across subjects.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Maybe we should get someone on here that actually had a NDE, yet I don't think you unbelievers would believe them........
Given prior exposure to NDE accounts, even the account of any subject would be in question due to prompting/priming effects. So, yes, they would not be able to be taken scientifically credible. I believe such an event may be possible, but I am also skeptical, especially given the conflicting nature of the NDEs. Buddhists have an NDE and come out more zealous Buddhists, Christians have a NDE and come out more zealous Christians. This is the common pattern. If the NDE was truly a spiritual experience that held meaning then more individuals that experienced them would have either more information from them, or a more varied response to them.
Originally posted by marcu
Hey Shaky. That was very interesting, However (you knew I wouldn't let you win on that one post did ya? *smiles*) I understand completely what you are saying there, but what then do you make of the undeniable simularilties in these near death testimonies? Would the accounts not be vastly different if each of our brains is making it's own "lack of oxygen" vsisions or pictures? I am wondering my friend, what do you say the the simularities in the accounts of these people.Marc 🙂
If someone were to hit you in the face (not saying that I'm going to hit you 😆 ) you would see stars. If you rub your eyes, you will see geometric patterns of light and dark. This is true for every human, we experience things in the same way. So, when a person has a NDE, it would be expected that it should be similar to every other NDE. As Regret said above, the sensitivity to Oxygen Depravation follows the same patter in all normal brains.
Shaky. Hi. I understand what you are saying, however, we are not talking about just stars or patterns from these people. They are seeing light, "God" *ducks head for that one! 😆 , people that they new in life that had passed away already, etc. Their experiences are all the same yet different. So, your theory there is not holdin' up with me too well just yet. *smiles* You know I like ya! I'm not trying to be difficult, or am I? 🙂 Kidding! I think I am right though. *smiles*
The thorn in your side,
marc 😄
Originally posted by marcu
Shaky. Hi. I understand what you are saying, however, we are not talking about just stars or patterns from these people. They are seeing light, "God" *ducks head for that one! 😆 , people that they new in life that had passed away already, etc. Their experiences are all the same yet different. So, your theory there is not holdin' up with me too well just yet. *smiles* You know I like ya! I'm not trying to be difficult, or am I? 🙂 Kidding! I think I am right though. *smiles*The thorn in your side,
marc 😄
You are not a thorn in my side. 😄
Could you please do some research before we continue? There are more then just Christian NDE, there are people of other religions who have them also. If you research this you will find that their experiences are quite different. I would find some for you, but I am filling out medical information for a specialist I have to see. They want me to write a novel. 🙄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are not a thorn in my side. 😄
Could you please do some research before we continue? There are more then just Christian NDE, there are people of other religions who have them also. If you research this you will find that their experiences are quite different. I would find some for you, but I am filling out medical information for a specialist I have to see. They want me to write a novel. 🙄
Must I ? *grins*
For you...anything to keep you happy. How's that for a friend? 😛
The thorn,
marcu 🙂
Originally posted by marcu
Must I ? *grins*For you...anything to keep you happy. How's that for a friend? 😛
The thorn,
marcu 🙂
Thank you. BTW I would never consider you a thorn. I finished the paper work.sleepy
What I would like to compare is the NDE of Christians to those of Buddhists and other world religions.
Originally posted by Regret
Given prior exposure to NDE accounts, even the account of any subject would be in question due to prompting/priming effects. So, yes, they would not be able to be taken scientifically credible. I believe such an event may be possible, but I am also skeptical, especially given the conflicting nature of the NDEs. Buddhists have an NDE and come out more zealous Buddhists, Christians have a NDE and come out more zealous Christians. This is the common pattern. If the NDE was truly a spiritual experience that held meaning then more individuals that experienced them would have either more information from them, or a more varied response to them.
I tend to agree. There are physiological explanations which can account for NDEs. One would need to set up a proper experimental situation to rule out those alternative explanations...and as much as I am open to the NDE possibility, my own attempts to garner some kind of evidence have not (yet, anyway) been successful.