What's wrong with being Liberal?

I don't understand why people think of Liberals as crazed idiots looking to raise taxes. Believe it or not Liberalism is a legitimate way of thinking. Tell me what you think.

Yes. I suppose. Quite a weird thread. You know most people on this forum are liberal in one way or another.

Nothing is wrong with it, just like nothing is wrong with being conservative. It's just extremists and morons on both sides that make each side look monstrous to the other.

What's wrong with being just yourself? Why do you feel the need to align yourself to some left wing or right wing bullshit? I never understood the idea of "OOOHHH my POLITIC pARTY care ABout MEeee!!!!!" Fact: They don't care about you. They care about having your votes.

Originally posted by dani_california
I don't understand why people think of Liberals as crazed idiots looking to raise taxes. Believe it or not Liberalism is a legitimate way of thinking. Tell me what you think.

I don't think liberals are necessarily crazed idiots, though some are...

I do think that you generally favor raising taxes, penalizing private enterprise, reducing U.S. military strength, redistributing private wealth, subsidizing the continued existence of a government dependent strata of society, weakening prosecutorial power against violent criminals, promulgating laws from the judicial bench, and undermining traditional social norms of self-restraint and personal responsibility.

Therefore, I oppose you.

Originally posted by dani_california
I don't understand why people think of Liberals as crazed idiots looking to raise taxes. Believe it or not Liberalism is a legitimate way of thinking. Tell me what you think.

Originally posted by dani_california
I don't understand why people think of Liberals as crazed idiots looking to raise taxes. Believe it or not Liberalism is a legitimate way of thinking. Tell me what you think.

I don't mind a great many liberal ideas, I have a problem with a large socialist agenda.

Originally posted by Soleran
I don't mind a great many liberal ideas, I have a problem with a large socialist agenda.

Yeah, I agree. It's a shame that's called liberal nowadays.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
I don't think liberals are necessarily crazed idiots, though some are...

I do think that you generally favor raising taxes, penalizing private enterprise, reducing U.S. military strength, redistributing private wealth, subsidizing the continued existence of a government dependent strata of society, weakening prosecutorial power against violent criminals, promulgating laws from the judicial bench, and undermining traditional social norms of self-restraint and personal responsibility.

Therefore, I oppose you.

You're making blanket statments, which is the entire point of the thread.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You're making blanket statments, which is the entire point of the thread.

Well, I did use the proviso "generally", so I think that pretty much indicates a blanket statement is on the way. If we're going to talk liberal/conservative, we pretty much have to talk in generalities, don't we?

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Well, I did use the proviso "generally", so I think that pretty much indicates a blanket statement is on the way. If we're going to talk liberal/conservative, we pretty much have to talk in generalities, don't we?

So, what's wrong with "liberals" who don't fit nicely into your stereotype?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, what's wrong with "liberals" who don't fit nicely into your stereotype?

Nothing a little quality time with Dr. Zaius couldn't fix...;-)

Relax, Capt. Fantastic. I've got several liberal friends who ceaselessly engage me in debate, including my boss. Our disagreements don't prevent me from liking or respecting them. Although, a couple of rounds of drinks makes the liberalism go down easier.

Originally posted by dani_california
I don't understand why people think of Liberals as crazed idiots looking to raise taxes. Believe it or not Liberalism is a legitimate way of thinking. Tell me what you think.

I don't have one really. Politically speaking, (in the US) I think like one socially. However, the other half of me, thinks like a Republican, economically/fiscally. 😬

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Nothing a little quality time with Dr. Zaius couldn't fix...;-)

Relax, Capt. Fantastic. I've got several liberal friends who ceaselessly engage me in debate, including my boss. Our disagreements don't prevent me from liking or respecting them. Although, a couple of rounds of drinks makes the liberalism go down easier.

Why should I relax when I'm not worked up? But feel free to actually address why all those issues mentioned in your first post makes a liberal "wrong".

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Why should I relax when I'm not worked up? But feel free to actually address why all those issues mentioned in your first post makes a liberal "wrong".

Well, I never said they're "wrong", just that I opposed those stances. But, fair enough...I obviously oppose them because I think they're wrong. The short answer to your question is that I believe all these things to be detrimental both to the greater social good and to American interests in particular. If you want a more detailed explanation, you'll have to take a rain check. I've got to meet somebody for dinner. But I shall endeavor to satisfy you in regards to all matters of philosophical disagreement, sir...

Ciao

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
I do think that you generally favor raising taxes,

(fiscal responsibility as opposed to trickle down recklessness. but hey, feel free to oversimplify as per typical ignorant talking points. yes, liberals LOOOOVE taxes. they all just bend over and scream "**** ME I.R.S.!!!! IM A NAUGHTY LITTLE WHORE!!!!"

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
penalizing private enterprise

you mean that they just penalize ALL private enterprise? or do you mean holding businesses responsible for their misdeeds as opposed to the current "just look the other way...they sign our checks" policy.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
reducing U.S. military strength

directly proportionate to the reduction of illegal invasion and occupation of other soveriegn nations

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
redistributing private wealth,

please elaborate

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
subsidizing the continued existence of a government dependent strata of society,

as opposed to just rendering them homeless? as if liberals are responsible for perpetuating poverty. got scapegoat?

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
weakening prosecutorial power against violent criminals,

again, got scapegoat? hey, remember spelljammer?
how are liberals taking away prosecutorial power?

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
promulgating laws from the judicial bench

perhaps im mesmorised by all the big words, but how is the public announcement of laws a liberal act...or bad at that? elaborate please.

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
and undermining traditional social norms of self-restraint and personal responsibility.

again, demonising and scapegoating liberals. logic: if you are against abortion and hate homos, you are adhering to traditional social norms and personal responsibility....or something

Originally posted by Dr. Zaius
Therefore, I oppose you.

good. seems to validate my stance.

Originally posted by PVS
hey, remember spelljammer?

Oh my...you nailed the head on the hit.

Originally posted by PVS
you mean that they just penalize ALL private enterprise? or do you mean holding businesses responsible for their misdeeds as opposed to the current "just look the other way...they sign our checks" policy.

Or lets even talk about raising minimum wage, not only does that hurt the small employeer by raising the cost of the direct compensation for their labor the Govt also gets to tax the small business owner more for paying their employees more, kinda crazy but true. If the market doesn't accept the increase in cost who gets hit the hardest? The small business owner, whose employee's who just got a "raise" are now unemployed again.

Hey, remember spelljammer?

Yup he certainly was entertaining.

yeah, thats great, only 5.05 an hour is not livable.
so people should work themselves to death for peanuts so
that businesses dont have a bit of a tougher time taking off?
its compromise and it must be met. believe me, people wont be
dancing in the streets when they're making 6.50 an hour (or whatever). would you?

Nope which is why I also specified the small employeer.

More specifically to the point I CHOOSE to not work for someone for minimum wage or anywhere near that amount of money. However lets say we are a small employeer we are a daycare! All of our people make minimum wage five dollars an hour and all of a sudden it goes up to 6.50 an hour.

Where does the money come from? That means the daycare's costs go up over 2,000 dollars(assuming 35 hours a week from each employee) a month (minus the increase in payroll tax's the employer has to pay to employee those people.) Now add health benefits, vacation time etc etc did the cost of daycare go up to offset these costs? Probably not in the short run so what happens? Alot of people get laid off and either cannot find employement or they go on social security etc.

You DESTROY the small employer economy and get alot of folks fired. Sounds awesome doesn't it, lets raise minimum wage (wrong!)