Creation vs Evolution

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
As far as i'm concerned, the Bible is as credible as a science book, or the quote you just sent. They're both books, both text. They both provide specific formulae(or events) that must be followed properly to get the intended result.
With God this formula is(as the bible tells us):
Undestuctable and Undoubting Faith in God + God = Whatever you want from God/Miracles/Healings galore.

Scientists themselves are as real as God.
I can't see or hear either of them right now at this moment, even if someone comes up to me and tells me they're a scientist or God, they probably wont/can't prove it to me on the spot for one reason or another.

The problem with alot of people and pexperiencing God is that people give up at the first hurdle, the faith area.

Then the Koran is also as credible as the bible and a science book. If you are going to make magic = to science, then you must include all magic and supernatural.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
As far as i'm concerned, the Bible is as credible as a science book, or the quote you just sent. They're both books, both text. They both provide specific formulae(or events) that must be followed properly to get the intended result.
With God this formula is(as the bible tells us):
Undestuctable and Undoubting Faith in God + God = Whatever you want from God/Miracles/Healings galore.

Scientists themselves are as real as God.
I can't see or hear either of them right now at this moment, even if someone comes up to me and tells me they're a scientist or God, they probably wont/can't prove it to me on the spot for one reason or another.

The problem with alot of people and experiencing God is that people give up at the first hurdle, the faith area.

I'm not in Canada right now but I know its there 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then the Koran is also as credible as the bible and a science book. If you are going to make magic = to science, then you must include all magic and supernatural.

Ofcourse, it's just as credible on the basis of the book itself.

I simply kind of rotate in the direction of the Christian God, so far I've experienced things, "coincidences", Gods voice, some small healings and miracles, the like.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
Ofcourse, it's just as credible on the basis of the book itself.

I simply kind of rotate in the direction of the Christian God, so far I've experienced things, "coincidences", Gods voice, some small healings and miracles, the like.

😄 Ok.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😄 Ok.

The faith i have comes primarily from my parents, and from reading the Bible itself. It seems alot of the things it says are very wise, it points out many things about God (which make sense) that you wont realise unless you have faith and think about it.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
The faith i have comes primarily from my parents, and from reading the Bible itself. It seems alot of the things it says are very wise, it points out many things about God (which make sense) that you wont realise unless you have faith and think about it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then the Koran is also as credible as the bible and a science book. If you are going to make magic = to science, then you must include all magic and supernatural.

The Koran actually has a more scientific slant than the Bible does.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
So you are saying that if you don’t have faith in the Bible it will not make sense and that someone without the faith can’t understand? That doesn’t make to much sense to me, how are you to gain the faith if you can understand what you are reading?

Through faith. 😐

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The Koran actually has a more scientific slant than the Bible does.

My point had nothing to do with the Koran.

Mine does.

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Burn.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Through faith. 😐

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
As far as i'm concerned, the Bible is as credible as a science book, or the quote you just sent. They're both books, both text. They both provide specific formulae(or events) that must be followed properly to get the intended result.
With God this formula is(as the bible tells us):
Undestuctable and Undoubting Faith in God + God = Whatever you want from God/Miracles/Healings galore.

Scientists themselves are as real as God.
I can't see or hear either of them right now at this moment, even if someone comes up to me and tells me they're a scientist or God, they probably wont/can't prove it to me on the spot for one reason or another.

interesting point

the difference of course comes from the repeatability and reliability of things required in science. For instance, the reason you know I exist, beyond some post-modern 'brain-in-vat' scenario, is because there are repeatable interactions I make with the world, the same with scientists. And, as it would appear, in your argument the same applies to God.

So, similarly, this is why science books are more credible than the bible too, if you claim that faith in god can bring you whatever you want, you are arguing that there are reliable and testable interactions that god makes with the world. In this case, I request we run an empirical test to show this. If the test fails, the hypothesis that god interacts with the world has been shown to be somehow incorrect.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
😆 and the circle starts

And you are outside the circle. 😆

Originally posted by Da Pittman
😆 and the circle starts

No. You see it really is simple Pitt. You gotta have faith, even if you d'unt understand, cuz' if you d'unt have faith then how can you build up your faith? Hm? Fath faith.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
No. You see it really is simple Pitt. You gotta have faith, even if you d'unt understand, cuz' if you d'unt have faith then how can you build up your faith? Hm? Fath faith.

So, it's not supposed to make sense?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The Koran actually has a more scientific slant than the Bible does.

also;

first few hundred years of Christianity: Christians were tortured, murdered, suppressed, etc.

first few hundred years of Islam: Revolutionary military victories against impossible odds, major political, economic and social reform, arab world becomes most advanced philosophically, scientifically and militarily (well, not comparing to what might have been going on in the East, which I am really ignorant of).

not that I think Islam is any closer to the truth than Christianity, but if you think about it, which seems more like it was inspired by God?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, it's not supposed to make sense?

Of course not..

It's faith. super13

Originally posted by inimalist
interesting point

the difference of course comes from the repeatability and reliability of things required in science. For instance, the reason you know I exist, beyond some post-modern 'brain-in-vat' scenario, is because there are repeatable interactions I make with the world, the same with scientists. And, as it would appear, in your argument the same applies to God.

So, similarly, this is why science books are more credible than the bible too, if you claim that faith in god can bring you whatever you want, you are arguing that there are reliable and testable interactions that god makes with the world. In this case, I request we run an empirical test to show this. If the test fails, the hypothesis that god interacts with the world has been shown to be somehow incorrect.

We could try and run a test, but testing everyone in the world will take forever and by the time it's finished half the people in the world would already be dead, therefore it's up to us at seperate people to attempt at gaining faith, rather than relying on others.

Originally posted by inimalist
also;

first few hundred years of Christianity: Christians were tortured, murdered, suppressed, etc.

first few hundred years of Islam: Revolutionary military victories against impossible odds, major political, economic and social reform, arab world becomes most advanced philosophically, scientifically and militarily (well, not comparing to what might have been going on in the East, which I am really ignorant of).

not that I think Islam is any closer to the truth than Christianity, but if you think about it, which seems more like it was inspired by God?

Well, in the militant area I'd say Christianity definatly, much more love in not fighting. But then again that depends on the personality of the god in general, so meh.
(OOps, double post, sorry folks)