Originally posted by ushomefree
Shakyamunison-That is not an example of "genetic mutation."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html
It seems you are wrong.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Shakyamunison-That is not an example of "genetic mutation."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html
It seems you are wrong.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728.html
😆 We both posted the same link.
Originally posted by ushomefreeNo you have been ignoring me for several pages now, I have asked you direct questions that you have not answered or should I go back and show you? This is nothing new I have asked you a few times why you were ignoring my posts and nothing, so what has changed?
Da Pittman-I am not ignoring you. When you throw an article in my face, you should expect a delayed response. Seriously relax, bro.
Are you guys even interested in open debate? Or are you merely trying to make me look like a fool, despite what I have to bring to the table? I haven't even read the article yet, but it deals with pigmentation of one's skin! This boils down to dominant and recessive genes... not genetic mutations. But answer my question, please.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Are you guys even interested in open debate? Or are you merely trying to make me look like a fool, despite what I have to bring to the table? I haven't even read the article yet, but it deals with pigmentation of one's skin! This boils down to dominant and recessive genes... not genetic mutations. But answer my question, please.
Read the article first before you judge it to be false.
Da Pittman-
You are so hard to get along with on this forum. Please stop making assumptions. It is not fair. I was having a discussion with Bardock42, then inimilist, then Shakyamusion, and now you want to get involved. That is fine! But I cannot tackle 3, 4, 5, or 6 conversations at once, especially when you involve articles that need reading. Can you understand that?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Da Pittman-You are so hard to get along with on this forum. Please stop making assumptions. It is not fair. I was having a discussion with Bardock42, then inimilist, then Shakyamusion, and now you want to get involved. That is fine! But I cannot tackle 3, 4, 5, or 6 conversations at once, especially when you involve articles that need reading. Can you understand that?
You make it sound like I just jumped in, this has been happening for several days now. I have been reading through the conversations and see people jump into the middle of it and you answer their questions but ignore mine. I was having a direct conversation with you and then it dropped after you were being rude and answered your question which you said I didn’t in this thread.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Do you deny that you have intrinsic value?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
😕Everything on the planet has intrinsic value?
How about answering the question instead of answering it with another question. 😉
Originally posted by ushomefree
Answer the question.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I did 😕Plus where are your manners? It is not nice to demand something of someone. 😉
And then from here you have never replied to any post, so how am I being hard to get along with???
Rather than waste my own time typing.
"Claim CB102:
Mutations are random noise; they do not add information. Evolution cannot cause an increase in information.
1. It is hard to understand how anyone could make this claim, since anything mutations can do, mutations can undo. Some mutations add information to a genome; some subtract it. Creationists get by with this claim only by leaving the term "information" undefined, impossibly vague, or constantly shifting. By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of
* increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991)
* increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003)
* novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996)
* novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)
If these do not qualify as information, then nothing about information is relevant to evolution in the first place.
2. A mechanism that is likely to be particularly common for adding information is gene duplication, in which a long stretch of DNA is copied, followed by point mutations that change one or both of the copies. Genetic sequencing has revealed several instances in which this is likely the origin of some proteins. For example:
* Two enzymes in the histidine biosynthesis pathway that are barrel-shaped, structural and sequence evidence suggests, were formed via gene duplication and fusion of two half-barrel ancestors (Lang et al. 2000).
* RNASE1, a gene for a pancreatic enzyme, was duplicated, and in langur monkeys one of the copies mutated into RNASE1B, which works better in the more acidic small intestine of the langur. (Zhang et al. 2002)
* Yeast was put in a medium with very little sugar. After 450 generations, hexose transport genes had duplicated several times, and some of the duplicated versions had mutated further. (Brown et al. 1998)
The biological literature is full of additional examples. A PubMed search (at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi) on "gene duplication" gives more than 3000 references.
3. According to Shannon-Weaver information theory, random noise maximizes information. This is not just playing word games. The random variation that mutations add to populations is the variation on which selection acts. Mutation alone will not cause adaptive evolution, but by eliminating nonadaptive variation, natural selection communicates information about the environment to the organism so that the organism becomes better adapted to it. Natural selection is the process by which information about the environment is transferred to an organism's genome and thus to the organism (Adami et al. 2000).
4. The process of mutation and selection is observed to increase information and complexity in simulations (Adami et al. 2000; Schneider 2000)."
Originally posted by xmarksthespotYou're such a show off. 😛
Rather than waste my own time typing."Claim CB102:
Mutations are random noise; they do not add information. Evolution cannot cause an increase in information.1. It is hard to understand how anyone could make this claim, since anything mutations can do, mutations can undo. Some mutations add information to a genome; some subtract it. Creationists get by with this claim only by leaving the term "information" undefined, impossibly vague, or constantly shifting. By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of
* increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991)
* increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003)
* novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996)
* novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)If these do not qualify as information, then nothing about information is relevant to evolution in the first place.
2. A mechanism that is likely to be particularly common for adding information is gene duplication, in which a long stretch of DNA is copied, followed by point mutations that change one or both of the copies. Genetic sequencing has revealed several instances in which this is likely the origin of some proteins. For example:
* Two enzymes in the histidine biosynthesis pathway that are barrel-shaped, structural and sequence evidence suggests, were formed via gene duplication and fusion of two half-barrel ancestors (Lang et al. 2000).
* RNASE1, a gene for a pancreatic enzyme, was duplicated, and in langur monkeys one of the copies mutated into RNASE1B, which works better in the more acidic small intestine of the langur. (Zhang et al. 2002)
* Yeast was put in a medium with very little sugar. After 450 generations, hexose transport genes had duplicated several times, and some of the duplicated versions had mutated further. (Brown et al. 1998)
The biological literature is full of additional examples. A PubMed search (at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi) on "gene duplication" gives more than 3000 references.3. According to Shannon-Weaver information theory, random noise maximizes information. This is not just playing word games. The random variation that mutations add to populations is the variation on which selection acts. Mutation alone will not cause adaptive evolution, but by eliminating nonadaptive variation, natural selection communicates information about the environment to the organism so that the organism becomes better adapted to it. Natural selection is the process by which information about the environment is transferred to an organism's genome and thus to the organism (Adami et al. 2000).
4. The process of mutation and selection is observed to increase information and complexity in simulations (Adami et al. 2000; Schneider 2000)."
Now back to god and his friends.....Ooo, looks like party time is near. Second coming Celebration time.