Originally posted by ushomefreeWhile that is nice and dandy and I'm happy for you but lets make something clear that God exists for you. This is your own personal faith and your own personal belief. While you say it is not to mock you are mocking those that do not believe in your faith. 😉
Thank you Deja~vu! Everyone--everyone on the KMC forum--has something to offer, regarding any topic! About three/four years ago, when I became a member of the KMC, Debbiejo helped better my understand Scripture. Things that she said shattered my faith; but after rigorous study, she has (in effect) aided my faith. Because of her, I was able to study aspects of Scripture, that, perhaps... normally, I wouldn't think to question and/or ponder. The list goes on. I wonder, what has she done? (The mind cannot embrace what the mind rejects!) And so I took study seriously. Besides, I had no rhyme or reason to be bias; I had no biases!! For example, their is nothing romantic about hell. But I believe that a hell exists! Evidence supports the notion. Truth, in all its forms, are not "ALWAYS" going to be pleasurable. I dismissed my "emotions" and forced myself to remain objective. In the end, I was forced to except the evidence, not my emotions. EMOTIONS DO NOT DICTATE TRUTH! And if I may speak bluntly, there are no such things as Atheists. I learned that from Scripture--the Holy Bible--if I may state so... man, was created in the image of God Himself. Being created in the image of God means this: we have mind, body, and soul. Deer and earthworms do not! In short, they are not aware of moral values, let alone their Creator. Humans, on the other hand, are; and this is not taught. It is "instinctive." Why? Again, we are made in the image of God. God exists!!! In any case, some people choose--through free will--to reject and/or "seek" god (their Creator). That is the difference. You know, we talk an awful lot about Evolution and Creation. But let us not, in the process, deny ourselves--as being human; let us not deny our Creator! God bless all of you, and may we have have the strength--through Jesus the Christ and the conviction of the Holy Spirit--to face our fears. Call it what you want, but I pray; and I pray for goodness in your lives. It is nothing to mock.
Originally posted by ushomefreejust......just just wow. im sorry i cant reject what isnt there. you can go ahead and imagine your god but dont force it on me. for the love of chuck leave me out of your insanity.
Thank you Deja~vu! Everyone--everyone on the KMC forum--has something to offer, regarding any topic! About three/four years ago, when I became a member of the KMC, Debbiejo helped better my understand Scripture. Things that she said shattered my faith; but after rigorous study, she has (in effect) aided my faith. Because of her, I was able to study aspects of Scripture, that, perhaps... normally, I wouldn't think to question and/or ponder. The list goes on. I wonder, what has she done? (The mind cannot embrace what the mind rejects!) And so I took study seriously. Besides, I had no rhyme or reason to be bias; I had no biases!! For example, their is nothing romantic about hell. But I believe that a hell exists! Evidence supports the notion. Truth, in all its forms, are not "ALWAYS" going to be pleasurable. I dismissed my "emotions" and forced myself to remain objective. In the end, I was forced to except the evidence, not my emotions. EMOTIONS DO NOT DICTATE TRUTH! And if I may speak bluntly, there are no such things as Atheists. I learned that from Scripture--the Holy Bible--if I may state so... man, was created in the image of God Himself. Being created in the image of God means this: we have mind, body, and soul. Deer and earthworms do not! In short, they are not aware of moral values, let alone their Creator. Humans, on the other hand, are; and this is not taught. It is "instinctive." Why? Again, we are made in the image of God. God exists!!! In any case, some people choose--through free will--to reject and/or "seek" god (their Creator). That is the difference. You know, we talk an awful lot about Evolution and Creation. But let us not, in the process, deny ourselves--as being human; let us not deny our Creator! God bless all of you, and may we have have the strength--through Jesus the Christ and the conviction of the Holy Spirit--to face our fears. Call it what you want, but I pray; and I pray for goodness in your lives. It is nothing to mock.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Let us cease with childish remarks and statements directed toward members of the KMC forum; if not, at minimum, understand that I have never treated anyone in the way you have treated me. I have, however, from time-to-time, made statements in an attempt to humor members of the forum (and members specifically); but statements I made were all in fun, not aimed to dismiss, belittle, and/or cheapen. Otherwise, I apologize! With all in mind, I am taking the time to study and think about points being made in my views (and the views of the article presented). My response may come in short or long term fashion; time will tell. But, one thing is for sure, I really do not understand all the commotion regarding my delayed response, as if I were in hiding?! Fact of the matter is, I am not a scientist--"a subject matter expert"--and either are you! Excuse me, for taking the time to reconsider and/or verify views that I embrace. Such should be respected, not to mention understood. Not all, but many of you refuse to do so, and that is pathetic. I am not here to argue. Give me a break! Please. I understand, most of the time, I am the butt-end of ridicule; that is fine, but know when to shut-up and be fair. There are enough questions (and internet articles) to go around. Shakyamunison, answer me (and the KMC forum) one of the following questions:1) How did the photosynthetic reaction center develop,
2) How did intramolecular transport start,
3) How did cholesterol biosynthesis begin,
4) How did retinal become involved in vision, and/or
5) How did phosphoprotein signaling pathways develop?
Thank you. 😑
Eck. Where to begin? Except that I'm not going to begin. Valid points and questions were raised, you told us to "hold on a while" then came back with even more obscure questions that sound more like thesis questions for a college biology course, and in no way resemble an argument for creationism.
What does your own theory have to say about these questions? Oh, wait, there's isn't one, unless "God must've done it" counts as a scientific theory (it doesn't, fyi). How does raising ever more detailed questions constitute an argument for God? Without researching each of these specifically, these questions all seem to center around the original macroevolution that was roundly debunked a couple pages ago with mountains of evidence. Did you acknowledge this, or attempt to engage the material? Hell no. You led us to believe you were going to respond to it, then avoided it entirely and tried to change what the discussion was about to better suit your needs.
Lulz at attempting to claim the moral high ground, but if you treat us like fools with your dodging, condescension, and endless stream of pointless questions, then you won't receive kind treatment from those of us who debate rationally rather than avoiding what we can't answer and only saying we we want to be heard.
Also, "The Bible tells us..." doesn't constitute a logical argument. It's an appeal to authority, and one that (in this case) lacks empirical evidence. So the rant about emotions where you tell us that we're wrong based on your supposedly a priori knowledge of God's existence is both laughably illogical and insulting.
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My opinion to the forum: we've been great about answering his questions for months/years now. It's time he returned the favor. Until you see a concerted effort to engage, understand, or respond to the other side of the debate, I'd suggest that no one answer his sophomoric attempts to filter the discussion only where he wants it go via these questions.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Eck. Where to begin? Except that I'm not going to begin. Valid points and questions were raised, you told us to "hold on a while" then came back with even more obscure questions that sound more like thesis questions for a college biology course, and in no way resemble an argument for creationism.What does your own theory have to say about these questions? Oh, wait, there's isn't one, unless "God must've done it" counts as a scientific theory (it doesn't, fyi). How does raising ever more detailed questions constitute an argument for God? Without researching each of these specifically, these questions all seem to center around the original macroevolution that was roundly debunked a couple pages ago with mountains of evidence. Did you acknowledge this, or attempt to engage the material? Hell no. You led us to believe you were going to respond to it, then avoided it entirely and tried to change what the discussion was about to better suit your needs.
Lulz at attempting to claim the moral high ground, but if you treat us like fools with your dodging, condescension, and endless stream of pointless questions, then you won't receive kind treatment from those of us who debate rationally rather than avoiding what we can't answer and only saying we we want to be heard.
Also, "The Bible tells us..." doesn't constitute a logical argument. It's an appeal to authority, and one that (in this case) lacks empirical evidence. So the rant about emotions where you tell us that we're wrong based on your supposedly a priori knowledge of God's existence is both laughably illogical and insulting.
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My opinion to the forum: we've been great about answering his questions for months/years now. It's time he returned the favor. Until you see a concerted effort to engage, understand, or respond to the other side of the debate, I'd suggest that no one answer his sophomoric attempts to filter the discussion only where he wants it go via these questions.
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But I'm still going to make fun of him. 😉
Originally posted by DigiMark007
My opinion to the forum: we've been great about answering his questions for months/years now. It's time he returned the favor. Until you see a concerted effort to engage, understand, or respond to the other side of the debate, I'd suggest that no one answer his sophomoric attempts to filter the discussion only where he wants it go via these questions.
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good post
Originally posted by DigiMark007They're questions copied from an argumentum ad ignoratiam in the form of a book by Michael Behe, a biochemist and cdesign proponentsist of the "Discovery" Institute who doesn't deny common descent but makes the claim that evolutionary concepts can't explain things at the biochemical level.
Eck. Where to begin? Except that I'm not going to begin. Valid points and questions were raised, you told us to "hold on a while" then came back with even more obscure questions that sound more like thesis questions for a college biology course, and in no way resemble an argument for creationism.
... VPU.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
They're questions copied from an argumentum ad ignoratiam in the form of a book by Michael Behe, a biochemist and cdesign proponentsist of the "Discovery" Institute who doesn't deny common descent but makes the claim that evolutionary concepts can't explain things at the biochemical level.... VPU.
So, what you are saying is that ushomefree doesn't really know what he is talking about; he is just a cut and paste poster?
Oh... like you are a subject matter expert Shakyamunison?! The irony! Absolutely amazing!!
When I stated, that time was needed to reference information, I made the claim on purpose; it was not—as some proclaimed—to "dodge" the question/issue! Believe it not, but not all people think like you, and you know who you are. Some people, actually want to present views in an intelligent fashion, however wrong they may be. This, at minimum, demonstrates care and concern on one's part—not ranting and raving at the mouth (full of raging conquest)!
C'mon guys... chill the freak out. Especially [size=6]you Shakyamunison! Disagree all you like, but exercise discipline. You are the oldest member of the forum and yet, you act like an infant.
Since so many of you feel the need to trampled on my silence, I will make the following statement: genetic mutations come in various forms. Volumes of ink, I'm sure, have been put in print about genetic mutations. This is imperative, however, nothing has been published unearthing the processes of Natural Selection in action. Do not be a schmuck! The article thrown in my face delt with variation in skin "pigmentation." And you honestly think this verifies Natural Selection—genetic mutation at work... in Darwinian fashion?! My gosh... how much faith you put in little things and not a transcendent Creator—a God!
[Note: no one denies that species have undergone change; but to think that "skin pigmentation" verifies "macro" change, is an utter joke! The Washington Post printed the add... go figure?!!]
As I have previously stated—and I believe this fully—man "instinctively" has knowledge of God; that is not taught! In other words, there is no such thing as a "true" Atheist," just those who deny His existence; the reasons are many, whether it be shame or—9 times out of 10—pride... all man is aware of God!!
Why??!
Because we are made in the image of God; human beings—creatures having soul—are not deer and/or earthworms. Deer and earthworms have no concept of God and evolution will not change that. Humans do! Again, human beings are made in the image of God—body, mind, and soul. Moreover, to further aid my message, humans beings—yes... you too Shakyamunison (ha ha ha)—believe in "life after death!" Deny such, and you are only fooling yourself!! It is the truth; I am not spotting at the mouth. If Darwinian evolution is true, it is the cruelest thing ever devised. No hope... only time itself. Deer and earthworms do not know the difference, but man does. Do not let a bias lab coats—who claim to know it all!—deny you that. Learn, though Christ Jesus, who God (in the flesh), and what the future holds.
Many of you, however, think my post is comical, perhaps, ridiculous... but here is the alternative; and it don't look so good... scientifically and spiritually:
1) Nothing produces everything,
2) Non-life produces life,
3) Randomness produces fine-tuning,
4) Chaos produces information,
5) Unconsciousness produces consciousness, and
6) Non-reason produces reason.
[Note: If you prescribe to the "origins of life" through the causes 1 through 6, there is no hope for you; nothing will change your mind. You are deceived, and you take comfort in it. I guess you'd believe that circles are square?!] Stop denying your Creator and face the music![/size]
I cannot help but think, that many of you turn away from God because of your sinful nature!! This is nothing to be hide from; Almighty God—since the beginning of creation—knew man would take advantage of his free-will (and abuse it)! Hence the reason, Jesus the Christ, the first born above ALL creation to redeem man kind!!
[NOTE: SALVATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR WORKS—WHETHER "GOOD" OR "BAD!" I WILL STATE, AGAIN... SALVATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR WORKS!! FORGET ABOUT WORKS, GOD KNOWS YOUR NATURE AND MADE PREPARATIONS TO "REDEEM" YOU!! ME, YOU, AND THE VIRGIN MARY "HERSELF," ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT!! READ "SCRIPTURE," YOU ARE NOT THE EXCEPTION. YOU ARE NOT PERFECT!!]
Anyway sheesh... I gotta take a poop (ha ha ha)! Hey (!)... no hard feelings, I am just trying to communicate with you. There is no need, whatsoever, to be disrespectful! Really!! I simply want to—whether you believe or not—help.
But, lay it on me. 🙂