Originally posted by Nellinator
I have been trying to explain how they are related.
And we have pointed out that you have continuously failed. I can relate apples and my calculator, but the existance of one has no impact on the existance of the other.
Evolution and abiogenesis have no impact on eachother. They are stand a lone theories and hypothesis that YOU have put together to form a complete picture, which science doesn't give a rat's ass about.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If I told people that I honestly believed God created my car would I be considered insane?You need to pick your analogies with more care.
Now I have a challenge for the Creationists. Provide one piece of evidence for creation (ie not evidence against evolution, I want actual evidence in support of creation).
I don't conform to religion or at least don't think I have to.
And I'm not against ideas that go against the idea of "God", but I lean more towards the idea God as I believe it does make a bit more sense.
It make more sense for something to be created by something else than for that something to become something because of itself.
I don't see how evolution disproves God though. Explain that to me.
Originally posted by Alliance
I will laugh at you for your pathetic attempt at an anolagy that fails completely.Have you had any formal education in evolution, or do you always pull stuff out of your ass?
I never said I disagreed with evolution. I just am saying what I feel makes more sense.
Originally posted by BigRed
If there was evidence to support creation, then creation would be contradictory as it would go against faith and just believing.
Then Creationists shouldn't pretend that their theory has any validity in the real world
Originally posted by BigRed
I don't conform to religion or at least don't think I have to.And I'm not against ideas that go against the idea of "God", but I lean more towards the idea God as I does make a bit more sense.
It make more sense for something to be created by something else than for that something to become something because of itself.
And I don't hold that against you. I simply disagree.
Originally posted by BigRed
I don't see how evolution disproves God though. Explain that to me.
I don't think evolution disproves God. I think evolution redefines God as something far beyond what appears in the bible.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then Creationists shouldn't pretend that their theory has any validity in the real world
And I wouldn't really classify myself as a pure creationalist. I don't think evolution is the work of the devil. I believe in evolution.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos I don't think evolution disproves God. I think evolution redefines God as something far beyond what appears in the bible.And I don't follow the Bible as it is man made. Although, I'm interested in reading it.
The quote you used is just a giant expression of stupidity and lack of understanding on this concept. I will call you out, and you have done a poor job explaining why you used it.
You have been a member of this forum for 16 days, only about 4 of which I have been here with you. You have 10 posts
I think you have no right to accuse me of anything beyond the specific scope of an argument.
Originally posted by Alliance
The quote you used is just a giant expression of stupidity and lack of understanding on this concept. I will call you out, and you have done a poor job explaining why you used it.You have been a member of this forum for 16 days, only about 4 of which I have been here with you. You have 10 posts
I think you have no right to accuse me of anything beyond the specific scope of an argument.
Plus, I don't care how many of your posts I have seen, from that one response of yours, you came off really bad. *edited to refrain from cursing and be civilized*
Immediately you are looking down at me with some sort of superiority complex.
This comming from a new member?
I hardly consider questioning a pointless statement to be off topic, but I do consider personal attacks to be so. If you want to be off-topic, continue posting, because this thread has't been back on-topic since. Speaking of civilization, how civilized is it to hide one's age?
You made a poor statement, which many have attacked and you have a seemingly contadictory stance. I called you as I 'd call anyone else, now please end this derailment and explain.
Originally posted by Alliance
This comming from a new member?I hardly consider questioning a pointless statement to be off topic, but I do consider personal attacks to be so. If you want to be off-topic, continue posting, because this thread has't been back on-topic since. Speaking of civilization, how civilized is it to hide one's age?
You made a poor statement, which many have attacked and you have a seemingly contadictory stance. I called you as I 'd call anyone else, now please end this derailment and explain.
"If I had a car that I said created itself, would you laugh at me?"
"Probably".
So I'm not necessarily putting down evolution with that statement, but simply implying that I feel the "God" ideal makes more sense. I'm open however as I said, to other opinions and ideas, which you have yet to even present to me.
I don't see anything remotely contradictory. Nonetheless, present your other opinions.
Originally posted by Alliance
And we have pointed out that you have continuously failed. I can relate apples and my calculator, but the existance of one has no impact on the existance of the other.Evolution and abiogenesis have no impact on eachother. They are stand a lone theories and hypothesis that YOU have put together to form a complete picture, which science doesn't give a rat's ass about.
Except that a big picture is what some people like to see when they want to understand where they came from. Science does not care about this, no kidding, tell me something I don't know, but people that are looking for the complete picture of where they came from can connect the theories. That would be a practical application of the two, you are limiting yourself by not realizing that the complete picture is of importance.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I don't think we do need it. We don't have it and yet we survive.No.
I believe that whether we truly are the creations of the divine, whether we evolved from an ancient species, or even if our existance is a complete random accident, we are of ABSOLUTE VALUE and WORTH regardless of either origin.
Life is absolutely precious beyond words, regardless of how it came to be.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Exactly, what I was saying. I said that abiogenesis precedes evolution in the evolution of life which would be true. If abiogenesis is false it does not invalidate the theory of evolution as I said before. If you read what I wrote you would know this.Except that a big picture is what some people like to see when they want to understand where they came from. Science does not care about this, no kidding, tell me something I don't know, but people that are looking for the complete picture of where they came from can connect the theories. That would be a practical application of the two, you are limiting yourself by not realizing that the complete picture is of importance.
Anyone who conflates a hypothesis and a theory that explain separate phenomena is either grossly ignorant of the scientific method or intentionally attempting to invalidate the latter by associating it with the former. So no, one cannot connect them, period.