Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yes but to me this evolution business is absurd, asinine, and foolish. That is why I refer to it as a hypothesis. Flam. did you learn Creationism in school?
Evolution has a lot more evidense and logic to back it up. Creationism seems more like a fairy tale, with no evidense to support it. 👇
Originally posted by Robtard
Beat me to it Flamboyant... Saying Evolution is little more than a bunch of half-ass guesses is down right intellectually dishonest.[B]Hypothesis
: Implies insufficient evidence to provide more than a tentative explanationTheory: Implies a greater range of evidence and greater likelihood of truth
Law: Implies a statement of order and relation in nature that has been found to be invariable under the same conditions
Now considering those three principles, what would Biblical Creation fall under considering there is absolutely no way to prove God exist let alone Adam & Eve, Garden Of Eden, Great Flood etc.? (JesusIsAlive) [/B]
Let me ask you this Robtard: did your complex computer get here by an explosion? What about your television, is that too an accident? How about your residence, did that just get here on its own? Not to mention your vehicle (I am presuming to say that you own a vehicle) that too is just mere chance.
But the universe which is eminently more complex you believe just came about by random, occurrence? It takes significantly more faith for me to believe in evolution than it does to believe in God and that He created all things.
Why don't the evolutionists apply the same rational thought and scientific principles to God's true explanation concerning how we got here that they do to evolution? I know why they don't: it is because their are blinded by the god of this age (satan). No intelligent scientist would ever conclude that a computer got here by chance but yet that same erudite and scholary scientist will say that about this universe.
A)Insanity?
B) Bias?
C) Suppression of the Truth of God's Word?
D) Denial?
E) Blinded from the Truth by the devil?
F) b, c, d, and e
Let me give you all a hint: it's F but could also include A.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Let me ask you this Robtard: did your complex computer get here by an explosion? What about your television, is that too an accident? How about your residence, did that just get here on its own? Not to mention your vehicle (I am presuming to say that you own a vehicle) that too is just mere chance.But the universe which is eminently more complex you believe just came about by random, occurrence? It takes significantly more faith for me to believe in evolution than it does to believe in God and that He created all things.
Why don't the evolutionists apply the same rational thought and scientific principles to God's true explanation concerning how we got here that they do to evolution? I know why they don't: it is because their are blinded by the god of this age (satan). No intelligent scientist would ever conclude that a computer got here by chance but yet that same erudite and scholary scientist will say that about this universe.
A)Insanity?
B) Bias?
C) Suppression of the Truth of God's Word?
D) Denial?
E) Blinded from the Truth by the devil?
F) b, c, d, and eLet me give you all a hint: it's F but could also include A.
Allow me to give you the real reason JIA.
The reason that no scientist would say that a computer or a TV was "an accident" and that the same guy would say that evolution was (not what they say by the way), is in one little word - EVIDENCE.
Now myself, I see God in the workings of evolution. I see him behind the scenes, as it were. But there is no way to prove that. That's why Jay Gould termed it "nonoverlapping magisteriums". That is to say that the domain of religion and that of science don't cover the same principles. Religion covers the why, while science covers the how. Not completely accurate from a religious standpoint, but right on the money as far as science goes. Science can't take religion into account, it is concerned with discernable, repeatable data. Period. Nothing else.
Back to what I was saying originally, there is plenty of data that supports evolution. Science itself doesn't say whether the causative force behind evolution is accident or design, it simply describes what it sees. Microevolution has enough data that even the most religious of scientists accept it. Macroevolution also has much data behind it, though it is more open to question.
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now, compare that to your computer. We have evidence that it was constructed by an outside force. Absent that evidence, science would be forced to hypothesize that either the computer was always there, or it was created by an unknown phenomena. Lacking evidence science would not make large assumptions about what that phenomena was, it could be a force, cosmic coincident, a causative entity, it could be anything.
Read "The Beak of the Finch", then tell me there's nothing to support natural selection, or survival of the fittest. Look into the evolution of whales, from land walking beasts, to the beasts of the depths of today. There is plenty of data, and having an open mind about evolution doesn't cancel out the ability to believe that God is behind it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yes but to me this evolution business is absurd, asinine, and foolish. That is why I refer to it as a hypothesis. Flam. did you learn Creationism in school?
The only thing absurd, asinine, and foolish in this thread is you.
Evolution is NOT a hypothesis. it is a Theory. With a capitol T so fools like you can distuinguish a scinetific theory from a cockamanie idea like creationism.
Originally posted by docb77
Allow me to give you the real reason JIA.The reason that no scientist would say that a computer or a TV was "an accident" and that the same guy would say that evolution was (not what they say by the way), is in one little word - EVIDENCE.
Now myself, I see God in the workings of evolution. I see him behind the scenes, as it were. But there is no way to prove that. That's why Jay Gould termed it "nonoverlapping magisteriums". That is to say that the domain of religion and that of science don't cover the same principles. Religion covers the why, while science covers the how. Not completely accurate from a religious standpoint, but right on the money as far as science goes. Science can't take religion into account, it is concerned with discernable, repeatable data. Period. Nothing else.
Back to what I was saying originally, there is plenty of data that supports evolution. Science itself doesn't say whether the causative force behind evolution is accident or design, it simply describes what it sees. Microevolution has enough data that even the most religious of scientists accept it. Macroevolution also has much data behind it, though it is more open to question.
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now, compare that to your computer. We have evidence that it was constructed by an outside force. Absent that evidence, science would be forced to hypothesize that either the computer was always there, or it was created by an unknown phenomena. Lacking evidence science would not make large assumptions about what that phenomena was, it could be a force, cosmic coincident, a causative entity, it could be anything.
Read "The Beak of the Finch", then tell me there's nothing to support natural selection, or survival of the fittest. Look into the evolution of whales, from land walking beasts, to the beasts of the depths of today. There is plenty of data, and having an open mind about evolution doesn't cancel out the ability to believe that God is behind it.
The reality of nature, life itself, matter, natural laws, none of this is enough evidence for you? Wow...incredible. You think the sun just got here by chance? Wow...incredible. You think water just created itself? Wow...unbelievable. You think this beautiful planet that is the only planet that is habitable and conducive to life just got from oblivion to where it is now by accident, chance explosion? Wow...impossible! But a computer is evidence because the manufacturers name is embossed on it? No one is that simple-minded, not even you. God's signature is everywhere present. Aside from the chaos created by satan and sinful humanity under him, their is order and design on this planet and in this universe. Animals have instinct for survival (just by random occurence). They should change the prevailing hypothesis of evolution and call it "the theory of random, accidental, serendipitous, coincidentally, just so happens to exist, convenient, chance occurences." Because there are many.
Originally posted by docb77
Allow me to give you the real reason JIA.The reason that no scientist would say that a computer or a TV was "an accident" and that the same guy would say that evolution was (not what they say by the way), is in one little word - EVIDENCE.
Now myself, I see God in the workings of evolution. I see him behind the scenes, as it were. But there is no way to prove that. That's why Jay Gould termed it "nonoverlapping magisteriums". That is to say that the domain of religion and that of science don't cover the same principles. Religion covers the why, while science covers the how. Not completely accurate from a religious standpoint, but right on the money as far as science goes. Science can't take religion into account, it is concerned with discernable, repeatable data. Period. Nothing else.
Back to what I was saying originally, there is plenty of data that supports evolution. Science itself doesn't say whether the causative force behind evolution is accident or design, it simply describes what it sees. Microevolution has enough data that even the most religious of scientists accept it. Macroevolution also has much data behind it, though it is more open to question.
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now, compare that to your computer. We have evidence that it was constructed by an outside force. Absent that evidence, science would be forced to hypothesize that either the computer was always there, or it was created by an unknown phenomena. Lacking evidence science would not make large assumptions about what that phenomena was, it could be a force, cosmic coincident, a causative entity, it could be anything.
Read "The Beak of the Finch", then tell me there's nothing to support natural selection, or survival of the fittest. Look into the evolution of whales, from land walking beasts, to the beasts of the depths of today. There is plenty of data, and having an open mind about evolution doesn't cancel out the ability to believe that God is behind it.
God and evolution have as much in common as lions and guppies. God hasn't got a thing to do with the hypothesis of evolution. I know you all would like to think so. But wishful thinking is just that: air castles. Keep your hypothesis of evolution on your side of the fence don't try and associate it with God. It doesn't compute. God is God and He knows that evolution is not true. But He is just waiting for the precious fruit of the earth (those who have yet to accept Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior) then the lie of evolution, spawned by the father of lies (the devil) will be obliterated.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The reality of nature, life itself, matter, natural laws, none of this is enough evidence for you? Wow...incredible. You think the sun just got here by chance? Wow...incredible. You think water just created itself? Wow...unbelievable. You think this beautiful planet that is the only planet that is habitable and conducive to life just got from oblivion to where it is now by accident, chance explosion. Wow...impossible! But a computer is evidence because the manufacturers name is embossed on it? No one is that simple-minded, not even you. God's signature is everywhere present. Aside from the chaos created by satan and sinful humanity under him, their is order and design on this planet and in this universe. Animals have instinct for survival (just by random occurence). They should change the prevailing hypothesis of evolution and call it "the theory of random, accidental, serendipitous, coincidentally, just so happens to exist, convenient, chance occurences." Because there are many.
You and I are looking at 2 different things at the moment. I've already stated that I believe God is behind everything. The difference is that I don't think that negates the data behind evolution. Evolution doesn't mean "random, accidental, serendipitous, coincidentally, just so happens to exist, convenient, chance occurences", what it means is change. And there's plenty of evidence of that. Personally I believe that God is behind it, directing it, but that is not part of science. Science deals with physical evidence, not spiritual, and not random conjecture. I know that God created the universe, but is it so far fetched to think that he might have made rules by which creatures could evolve?
Genesis 1:24-25
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Indeed a cursory reading of Genesis would seem to say that that is the truth - "Let the earth bring forth the living creature". The theory of evolution doesn't include God, but it doesn't exclude Him either.
Originally posted by docb77
You and I are looking at 2 different things at the moment. I've already stated that I believe God is behind everything. The difference is that I don't think that negates the data behind evolution. Evolution doesn't mean "random, accidental, serendipitous, coincidentally, just so happens to exist, convenient, chance occurences", what it means is change. And there's plenty of evidence of that. Personally I believe that God is behind it, directing it, but that is not part of science. Science deals with physical evidence, not spiritual, and not random conjecture. I know that God created the universe, but is it so far fetched to think that he might have made rules by which creatures could evolve?Genesis 1:24-25
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Indeed a cursory reading of Genesis would seem to say that that is the truth - "Let the earth bring forth the living creature". The theory of evolution doesn't include God, but it doesn't exclude Him either.
God doesn't need the devil's lie (evolution) to create anything. God creates by "speaking" things into existence instantaneously. It does not take God eons of time to create life--He is Life.
Originally posted by Me_GuSta_ChoCha
Well Nothing Cant create something, someone had to start it, there is also that theory of "Intelligent Design" but you dont hear of it much because these days people dont want to hear about a God for some reason they would rather think we are pointless, im not saying that for the people who believe in Evolution but just to the people Who dont believe in anything period
Preach bruddah preach.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Let me ask you this Robtard: did your complex computer get here by an explosion? What about your television, is that too an accident? How about your residence, did that just get here on its own? Not to mention your vehicle (I am presuming to say that you own a vehicle) that too is just mere chance.But the universe which is eminently more complex you believe just came about by random, occurrence? It takes significantly more faith for me to believe in evolution than it does to believe in God and that He created all things.
Why don't the evolutionists apply the same rational thought and scientific principles to God's true explanation concerning how we got here that they do to evolution? I know why they don't: it is because their are blinded by the god of this age (satan). No intelligent scientist would ever conclude that a computer got here by chance but yet that same erudite and scholary scientist will say that about this universe.
A)Insanity?
B) Bias?
C) Suppression of the Truth of God's Word?
D) Denial?
E) Blinded from the Truth by the devil?
F) b, c, d, and eLet me give you all a hint: it's F but could also include A.
I still didn't get a "real" succint but pithy and intelligent response to this post.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
I stopped reading here:This Thomas Heinze person does not know the fundamentals of the topic he is writing about. I read no more so I don't even know what side of the debate he is on.......but there is no such thing as "super-natural" in science. Everything that exists is natural. If God exists......God is natural. If flying hippos exist.......flying hippos are natural. If ghosts exist, ghosts are natural.
How the hell can someone sit down and write articles the length of what you have posted when they do not even know the very basics of the topic they are discussing?
Don't hate the truth that Thomas Heinze promulgates...hate the lies promoted by the intelligentsia concerning evolution.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhy is it absurd assinine and foolish? There is physical, factual, undeniable evidence that it has, and will continue to occur. And there is NONE of that with creationism. I did not learn creationism in school, but I did learn it in religion classes that I needed to attend in order to become comfirmed. My teacher, stated that we need not believe in creationism, because the bible is not to be taken literally.
Yes but to me this evolution business is absurd, asinine, and foolish. That is why I refer to it as a hypothesis. Flam. did you learn Creationism in school?
Originally posted by ~Flamboyant~
Why is it absurd assinine and foolish? There is physical, factual, undeniable evidence that it has, and will continue to occur. And there is NONE of that with creationism. I did not learn creationism in school, but I did learn it in religion classes that I needed to attend in order to become comfirmed. My teacher, stated that we need not believe in creationism, because the bible is not to be taken literally.
Your teacher did you a great disservice.
Confirmed? So you are saying that you are Catholic but you espouse evolution? Friend this ain't B.K., you can't have it your way. You either believe God created life or you believe the lie of evolution.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhy is this associated with Satan? Just curious? Creationism was totally created by man. Evolution was not.
God doesn't need the devil's lie (evolution) to create anything. God creates by "speaking" things into existence instantaneously. It does not take God eons of time to create life--He is Life.