Originally posted by Alliance
Evolution is NOT a theory. Natural selecition (Darwn's mechanism for evolution which is often, but incorrectly referred to as evolution) is the Theory.Evolution is observable fact. Natural Selection is considered to be true just as much as gravity is considered to be true.
😕 I don't know where you are getting this stuff. Both Evolution and Gravity, under their appropriate names, are theories. Both of these theories are considered to be true, but it is outside of our ability to proved them beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Originally posted by Regret
So, you believe God lies to us? Either way, the lie exists if the Bible time-line is taken as entirely literal.
Umm - actually, I was trying to use sarcasm to illustrate the silliness of the Creationist argument - but I guess it didn't come across clear enough... 😮
What I was trying to say is that as a reasonable, rational (evolved) human being, I see no reason or cause to dispute science. I do see a lot of reasons to dispute the Creationist argument, though.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😕 I don't know where you are getting this stuff. Both Evolution and Gravity, under their appropriate names, are theories. Both of these theories are considered to be true, but it is outside of our ability to proved them beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Your assessment of the situation is not a scientific one. I'm getting my information from what evolution actually is and what Natural Selection actually is, not what society percieves them as.
I will state it again. Evolution is fact. Darwin's "Theory of evolution" is the Theory of Natural Selection which is the theoretical mechanism which, since being heavily altered in the modern synthesis, explains how evolution takes place.
As a rational human being, I generally don't care for absolute truth. Nothing can be absolutely proven, but things have been proven factual enough to work with. If you don't accept any truths, you can't get any work done. I'll be productive and keep my small margin of error.
Originally posted by Alliance
Your assessment of the situation is not a scientific one. I'm getting my information from what evolution actually is and what Natural Selection actually is, not what society percieves them as.I will state it again. Evolution is fact. Darwin's "Theory of evolution" is the Theory of Natural Selection which is the theoretical mechanism which, since being heavily altered in the modern synthesis, explains how evolution takes place.
As a rational human being, I generally don't care for absolute truth. Nothing can be absolutely proven, but things have been proven factual enough to work with. If you don't accept any truths, you can't get any work done. I'll be productive and keep my small margin of error.
I have not made the leap of faith that you have, so my opinion differs.
You don't know the science or the history. I, personally, make no "leap" of faith any more than you don't step off a cliff expecting the laws of gravity to change.
You may find your "opinon" better than my "opinon" (which is not my opinoin, but the position of science), but I know the theory and the terms, so I would say your "opinon" is so far based on multiple innacuracies. This makes it not an "opinon" (based on fact, but covering grey areas with credible logic) but a mere conjecture based on societal misinterpretations of concepts and not on the what the concepts actually are.
Originally posted by Alliance
You don't know the science or the history. I, personally, make no "leap" of faith any more than you don't step off a cliff expecting the laws of gravity to change.You may find your "opinon" better than my "opinon" (which is not my opinoin, but the position of science), but I know the theory and the terms, so I would say your "opinon" is so far based on multiple innacuracies. This makes it not an "opinon" (based on fact, but covering grey areas with credible logic) but a mere conjecture based on societal misinterpretations of concepts and not on the what the concepts actually are.
I know the theories better then most, although my understanding may be a little out of date. There is nothing wrong with something being a theory, and you can still consider it to be true.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
God is a prankster.He gave us brains and science to test our faith. When we die and get to the Pearly Gates He is going to laugh His silly little ass off and damn us to the eternal fire for not believing the Earth is 12,000 years old and for not believing the Earth was literally created in 7 days.
"But science seemed so plausible!" We will protest. "What about carbon-dating, and geology, and history, and archeology? What about all those dinosaur fossils?"
"Fools!" He will cry out triumphantly. "They were put there to test your faith! Now burn, suckers!"
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Originally posted by Alliancehmm I trust you are right. You have been right quite often about things like this.
Evolution is NOT a theory. Natural selecition (Darwn's mechanism for evolution which is often, but incorrectly referred to as evolution) is the Theory.Evolution is observable fact. Natural Selection is considered to be true just as much as gravity is considered to be true.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know the theories better then most, although my understanding may be a little out of date. There is nothing wrong with something being a theory, and you can still consider it to be true.
Thats not the point. The point is evolution is an observed process in nature. Its not something that someone proposes is there. Darwin's theory explains the mechanism FOR evolution (in fact, Darwin was in many ways wrong on the mechanism). Natural Selection is a Theory, evolution is not.
Compare it to Newton's theories. Newton's Theory of Gravity did not one day, magically propose the concept of gravity. Gravity had been around for millinnea prior. Newton did not hypothesize its existence, he hypothesized a reduction of how gravity works.
Evolution was around for a long time before Darwin (it was referred to as transmutation). Darwin did not theorize evolution, he proposed a Theory OF evolution (that is works this way).
Originally posted by Alliance✅
Thats not the point. The point is evolution is an observed process in nature. Its not something that someone proposes is there. Darwin's theory explains the mechanism FOR evolution (in fact, Darwin was in many ways wrong on the mechanism). Natural Selection is a Theory, evolution is not.Compare it to Newton's theories. Newton's Theory of Gravity did not one day, magically propose the concept of gravity. Gravity had been around for millinnea prior. Newton did not hypothesize its existence, he hypothesized a reduction of how gravity works.
Evolution was around for a long time before Darwin (it was referred to as transmutation). Darwin did not theorize evolution, he proposed a Theory OF evolution (that is works this way).