Intelligent Design would be the idea that things are too perfect, that things work out in such a way that it couldn't be chance. Whether it is to explain why animals take in oxygen and put out carbon dioxide and plants take in carbon dioxide and put out oxygen or Evolution, someone or something designed it, and in some people's opinion, intelligently.
Originally posted by Marxman[list][*]Evolution doesn't mean chance, it means change
Intelligent Design would be the idea that things are too perfect, that things work out in such a way that it couldn't be chance. Whether it is to explain why animals take in oxygen and put out carbon dioxide and plants take in carbon dioxide and put out oxygen or Evolution, someone or something designed it, and in some people's opinion, intelligently.
The two can't co-exist. You clearly don't know what ID is, and by the looks of it, you don't know what Evolution is either.
Originally posted by lord xyzI'll admit, I'm not highly knowledgeable on the subject. I could be wrong on what I think ID is. I sure as hell don't believe in it and hence why I don't know much about it. However, the way you're explaining it makes it sound exactly like Creationism. What's the difference?
[list][*]Evolution doesn't mean chance, it means change
[*]Intelligent Design doesn't mean things happen on purpose, it's saying someone or something designed everything the way they are
[*]Intelligent Design says things don't change, Evolution says things do change
[*]Intelligent Design is only opinion, whereas Evolution is Science
[*]Intelligent Design has been disproven and is scientifically impossible
[*]Intelligent Design at it's basic form is "Evolution didn't happen"[/list]The two can't co-exist. You clearly don't know what ID is, and by the looks of it, you don't know what Evolution is either.
Originally posted by lord xyz
[list][*]Evolution doesn't mean chance, it means change
[*]Intelligent Design doesn't mean things happen on purpose, it's saying someone or something designed everything the way they are
[*]Intelligent Design says things don't change, Evolution says things do change
[*]Intelligent Design is only opinion, whereas Evolution is Science
[*]Intelligent Design has been disproven and is scientifically impossible
[*]Intelligent Design at it's basic form is "Evolution didn't happen"[/list]The two can't co-exist. You clearly don't know what ID is, and by the looks of it, you don't know what Evolution is either.
They can co-exist and do co-exist for a lot of people. Many people I knwo believe that God created mankind through evolution, therefore they believe in both.
Originally posted by lord xyzIntelligent design is the idea that existence as we know it was designed by some intelligent entity. Please explain how the idea of evolution conflicts with such a concept? Many ID theorists are wholly accepting of evolution. They merely find it too improbable for existence to be as it is without some intelligent force having initiated some aspects of existence, and, in a few ID theories, some added direction given by such intelligence. Also, not all ID theorists are Christian, or even religious for that matter. God, and the supernatural, are not necessary concepts for ID theories.
[list][*]Evolution doesn't mean chance, it means change
[*]Intelligent Design doesn't mean things happen on purpose, it's saying someone or something designed everything the way they are
[*]Intelligent Design says things don't change, Evolution says things do change
[*]Intelligent Design is only opinion, whereas Evolution is Science
[*]Intelligent Design has been disproven and is scientifically impossible
[*]Intelligent Design at it's basic form is "Evolution didn't happen"[/list]The two can't co-exist. You clearly don't know what ID is, and by the looks of it, you don't know what Evolution is either.
Dead wrong. What you have described is NOT ID.
ID says creation was DESIGNED, not evolved.
The main and only standard principle of ID is that evolution is wrong. No part of evolution is ever present in ID. ID is NOT a "guiding hand" type theory. It is closely associated with creationism.
The supernatural IS a DIRECT requirement for ID, and most people think it is their god. It requires something to work outside of natural laws.
If you want to claim that many IDers believe in evolution, I'd like to see evidence because I've never heard anyone make that claim. It seems/is wrong purely by definition alone.
Originally posted by AllianceThen I was wrong in my assumptions on the concept, and those I was speaking of are not ID theorists, I had only assumed them so. I must, if you are correct alter my position to be that ID theorists are crackpots. Whatever the theorists I was referencing are called, they make more sense to me.
Dead wrong. What you have described is NOT ID.ID says creation was DESIGNED, not evolved.
The main and only standard principle of ID is that evolution is wrong. No part of evolution is ever present in ID. ID is NOT a "guiding hand" type theory. It is closely associated with creationism.
The supernatural IS a DIRECT requirement for ID, and most people think it is their god. It requires something to work outside of natural laws.
If you want to claim that many IDers believe in evolution, I'd like to see evidence because I've never heard anyone make that claim. It seems/is wrong purely by definition alone.
Originally posted by Regret
Whatever the theorists I was referencing are called, they make more sense to me.
Yeah. (but they still don't make sense 😛) Just don't confuse it with ID.
Originally posted by Marxman
What is the difference between Creationism and the Intelligent Design theory?
In essence, the name.
"The theory of intelligent design (ID) holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection. ID is thus a scientific disagreement with the core claim of evolutionary theory that the apparent design of living systems is an illusion."
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/
In essence, I.D. is a "scientific" take on Creationism so it can be used in a legal court. Though it does not mention "God" the "intelligent" guiding force is God.
All it really tries is to do is pole holes in Evolution theory in a [lame] attempt to justifiy itself i.e. "If we can disprove 'A' then 'B' MUST be the answer."
It has yet to point out a hypothesis that can be tested in a lab, then again how do you test, measure or examine God?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Creation = God did itID = Something identical to God but that wasn't God "guided" it
NO. ID never disavows any divine influence. They may say "higher power," but God almost always comes into play. When asked "higher power like your God?" they almost always reply yes.
Originally posted by Marxman
So is ID just the non-Christian/Judeo/Islamic version of Creationism? How ridiculous...
See above.
ID is creation with another name that doesn't explicitly name the Judeo Christian God. It IS literal Judeo Christian creation.
ID's main function is to prevent a false alternative to evolution that people with know knowledge of evolution can THINK is a proper alternative. its just there to weaken public support of evolution, which is low, despite the fact that it is fact.
Check this out.
Any Bill Hicks fans out there?
He basically said exactly what I would like to say to any Creationist...
Bill Hicks is great...
I found this one interesting as it relates to the thread (not Bill Hicks)
Originally posted by MarxmanNothing really. Intelligent design is creationism's "scientific" name. But doesn't have all te Bible crap.
I'll admit, I'm not highly knowledgeable on the subject. I could be wrong on what I think ID is. I sure as hell don't believe in it and hence why I don't know much about it. However, the way you're explaining it makes it sound exactly like Creationism. What's the difference?
Originally posted by NellinatorThey co-exist for a lot of people? 🤨 We're talking opinions here, the fact is they don't and can't.
1) Yes
2) Yes
3) No, it doesn't, it says that intelligently designed laws limit change, and by some definitions, easily allows evolution
4) Yes
5) No, it isn't
6) No, it isn't. It can be, but not necessarily.They can co-exist and do co-exist for a lot of people. Many people I knwo believe that God created mankind through evolution, therefore they believe in both.
Originally posted by MarxmanVery.
So is ID just the non-Christian/Judeo/Islamic version of Creationism? How ridiculous...
Creationists believe:
Sixth day: Land animals are created, and God calls them good. Man and woman are created in God's image. They are told to "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it." Humans and animals are given plants to eat. The totality of creation is described by God as "very good".
So God, according to Creationists (who don't believe in Evolution, I understand - so biology, geology, archeology, chemistry, biology and all othe natural sciences, especially carbon-dating are all wrong, according to them), so God, let me repeat, according to Creationists, created man in one day.
You think He (or She) might have rushed the job, in the case of Creationists?