Also Tia has ink all around her teeth and mouth right? Well maybe she has been kissing Davy before hand..she may have done that to "magically insert" that ink into the ring so that she could make the black spot appear on Jacks palm..
Look closely at the back of Jack's hand before and after the spot appears..there is a black, ink smudge going from his thumb (where the ring is) onto the back of his hand...
I think that she's calypso in disguize and wants davy J back for GOOD not just once every 10 or so years..and she is intervening to make Will mirror what happned to Davy Jones..why would she WANT this Will/davy thing to happen? Well I think its because for davy to be able to walk on land for good the Dutchman is GOING to need a new captain...and Will seems perfectly suited..and she shows a BIG interest in his "destiny" in movie 2.. she seems to be behind alot of the reasons why Will is losing Liz...
I dont think Davy Knows Tia is calypso just yet..he's still all bitter and horrible..
Davy cant leave it unless someone else is on there in his place and if you take him away from it he will probably die (magic cant solve that), he can only go on land like once avery 20 years.. so in order for Davy to get off of there and live on land for good..there NEEDS to be a new heart and a new captain..and Tia WANTS davy to come back to her So Tia has her eye on Will..and is making things happen so he mirrors Davy Jones..thats my theory anyway 🙂..it seems to fit in with everything I've seen so far..
Does it say someone always has to command the Dutchman? I'm really going for this, and I believe you, but I have a question. If she's so untameable, why is she the one taking all these elaborate steps to win him back? Is she going to become a one-man woman? Because if that's the case, and it still mirrors Will and Liz, that only hints at Liz going back to Will, which would mean all the scenes with Jack were just to tease us, and I don't think that's the case.
Ah... I was under the impression that the Black Spot reappeared because three days had passed without having gotten the souls. They left Tortuga with only five extra people plus Elizabeth. I think the implication that three days had already passed is more plausible than the implication that the ring is what caused it to reappear; if so, then their cue was far too subtle for all but the most observant/obsessive fan to notice. They would have shown the ring more clearly when he stole it, I saw very little focus on the ring at all. The focus on his hand at the end is not showing the ring, but the manacles.
While I can agree that Tia has an ulterior motive, I don't think that it was to 'set up' Jack and Elizabeth. I fully realize that this may get me my fair share of flames (likely more...), but Jack/Elizabeth is meant to be specious. Elizabeth is the only female we really get to see Jack interact with, and I'd imagine his charm isn't put up solely for her. I have difficulty seeing someone of his character making any sort of commitment to any person, man woman, first mate, harlot, though I can see him depending on them moment-by-moment, it's not a permanent thing. I'm not saying he's not a good man at heart, but he does rather have a thing for freedom, and he comes and goes as he likes.
Him returning to the Pearl after he started to run was not entirely for Elizabeth's sake. At that moment when he flipped out his compass, his ship, his crew, and a number of friends were at stake. A man who refused to transport slaves, at the expense of his own good name and turning him into an outlaw, would not leave behind people who had previously saved his life. Elizabeth was part of the equation, yes... but likely not as a love interest. There was more at stake than just Elizabeth. What comes to my mind is something JD said in the commentary of the first movie during the island scene... 'He just really thinks he's going to get lucky.'
He can commit to objects, places, even morals, but committing to another person is not something I could see him doing. It's not that he doesn't care for anyone, it's that he can't be held down and committing to anyone other than himself would require him to hold back. Elizabeth 'setting out to show him how to love' or whatever it is is a great idea for fanfiction, and fun to squeal about, but it's likely not going to happen. She can try, but her mission will be in vain. There will most certainly be more of a focus on Jack/Elizabeth in the next movie, but the end may disappoint those of you who support such things. I believe it's merely a lack of interaction with other women in the movies that is a touch misleading. Scarlet and Giselle are partly for comic relief, though I imagine they'll make more of a proper comeback in installment number three, and be more than merely a silly scene. That's not to say they'll be a romantic possibility, but they'll certainly run interference, and may even give us more of a chance to see that he generally treats most women the same.
The teaser kiss was also misleading. Though it was subtle, I think they were in fact both talking about sex, or right opposite to the OP and Elizabeth was talking about true committment. Said cannon is not near Elizabeth, but right under Jack's nose at a fairly... interesting height.
'Why doesn't your compass work?' Most likely meaning moral compass.
'My compass works fine.' Misunderstanding on his part, believing her to be talking about a subject that's more to his interests. The immediate pull back showing the cannon so conveniently placed helps to mark how exactly he misunderstood her.
Here's something of an opposite perspective, put very beautifully.
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On Calypso and the Captain; I think there's some parallel to Jack and Tia's characters in that both are untameable. Tia may see Davy Jones, but he'll be all the more bitter with the fact that she's moved on. I think that may have been the problem to begin with-- she moved on from him, and he couldn't take it ('It was not worth feeling what fleeting dry life brings'😉 so he removed his heart, and in doing so THAT was what keeps him at sea, only being able to return to land once every ten years, never able to make port properly. It's also quite possible that Tia cursed him to such a fate, though him removing his heart would be not of the curse, but of his own doing. I'm not sure how tempted she will be to go back to him, if they were even rightfully together at all, though the token locket implies so. He doesn't know Tia is Calypso, because he hasn't actually seen her yet since she came into the picture. I suspect he'll know her on sight which may not be until well into the third movie. It is a rather exciting plot turn. =D
Some closing remarks- The ink smudge on the back of his hand was in the first movie, and technically it's there to cover a tattoo that would be out of place in the movie.
(PS... it's 'torch of destiny' XD)
Originally posted by sailorleo
to keep ppl like us out of the loop
Its the teaser moment of the trilogy just like they use "almost kisses" in the middle of each film..Liz tends to kiss whoever she does that with in the movie..and if you look at the trilogy..It's Jack who she has the teaser relationship with during the middle film.
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And Davy probably still wants Calypso back..you rip out your heart for someone..prrety much says "look what you are making me do..come back for me waaa! look its ALL FOR YOU!"
Maybe Calypso has seen how ruthless and untamable Davy has become...and now she WANTS HIM back..
But Will becoming like Davy AINT gonna turn Liz on..Thats where Will's dad will step in I think..and tell Will that He and Liz's relationship together is heading into a horrible place if they stick together it wont work..its already NOT WORKING..Will is probably going to learn to let her go...which is probably the best thing to do..
So why does the ring only appear when Liz's feelings for Jack are leading to a place of fear? its made to be hugly obvious in both scenes...and not at any other time..the "persuade me scene" it was absent...because that was still ONLY a sexual impliation..it wasnt about love..
Jack also puts it on just as he starts talking about being vexed over a woman..
One of Davy's men or davy himself needs to touch Jack to add or remove the black spot..and the fact that Jack has ink coming from the ring on his thumb al the way to the back of his hand is a big hint that Davy's ink is in the ring itself. Jack being a dirty man probably doesnt even realize that big fat smudge on his thumb and back of his hand..
EDIT - Ok imma look at that smudge of in in the first movie 😂
But the directors have said there is going to be a huge backstory for Tia..and it must have been pretty present in the most recent film for there to be such a huge one added later on..
LOL sparrowsavvy..you are one of those people who think Jack is a one dimensional character who is incapable of change..by the end of the trilogy a character like JS needs to at least learn something about himself before it ends..and in his casse its more than obvious..he wants someone to love...read the Jack = The dog theory (not the first post..scroll down a bit to find the better post)..and also read the Liz = the heart..believe me JACK IS AFTER LIZ's Heart
Oh and there is this..which is more implication that Jack is in fact after HER and not the real chest:
Liz is wearing Jacks missing hat through out the movie until the moment he gets it back from the kraken..meaning he has won her over before he dies..It also resembles that Liz is the missing part of him and he is the missing part of her..its like a little puzzle piece..I'ts made to look REALLY obvious when its a one on one thing with her and Jack..Its not the same hat she used to escape from the men..that was a straw hat..this one comes out of NOWHERE and its made to look obvoius that she's suddenly wearing it just as Jack has come out of the tavern after trying on lots of different hats but leaving unsatisfied..then hello hello the miissing part of him comes strolling back into his life..Jack begins to calm down..
Loving a person holds jack DOWN?..LMAO he blew up a kraken and even jumped into the mough of hell ALL TO PROTECT THE WOMAN HE LOVES 😂..its MORE than obvious that he needs love to be as brave and as fearless as he CLAIMED to be in movie 1..when we find out its a big fat Lie...now that he has someone who he loves and wants to protect...HE will do amazing and brave things..to protect the person he loves
By the end of movie 1 the script writers say that with each character..they end up doing something they NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE judging by the beginning of the film
you look at the trilogy as a whole you can see that Jack who was SO determined not to love a person is now beginning to..and I bet that its going to end where he does..and that person is going to be Liz..Jack is going to end up doing something he never would have done at the beginning of the trilogy..which is love someone..
The writers intensly dislike book ends..where something starts and ends exactly the same..that goes for characters..relationships character priorities...
there are lots and lots of hints that suggest Jack's compass is pointing at Liz the entire time..the main thing being the parallel story where Jack is after Davy's key/chest but his compass is telling him that he wants to be the key to Liz's heart and It's Liz he who he wants most.
Tia helps him gain both at the same time. Its a whole heart vs brain thing going on with Jack..and thats whats happening with Liz too. Its what they think they should be wanting more vs..what they REALLY WANT..Liz doesn't accept what the heart wants..but Jack does..
"not all treasure is of silver and gold mate"
See Jack just ending up learning to do the "right thing" for his friends/people is a book end..he's like that ANYWAY as a character..we see that at the beginning of movie 1. him ending up loving someone...is NOT a book end..and i think thats what the writers are aiming for..
The compass is pointing at Liz..it's more than obvious by the end of the movie with the whole chest/Liz thing..the whole parallel story ofgaining the metal key/key to her heart..gaining the heart/her heart at the end by protecting it from the shell baddie/kraken....that was to show the audience that he is doing it for her more than ANYONE else in that end scene..
"Jack Sparrow" have you read All Clues Point to jack and elizabeth...you see some of the symbolism and clues....unlike LovelyOne..I'm not as committed to all the theories...some are a little out there IMO - but she is a film study student....I just love Johnny Depp, Jack Sparrow and the Pirate Movies....
I don't think that Jack is in love with Elizabeth throughout the movie, but I do think he is developing feelings for her that are more than his usual lust toward any person of the opposite sex....Jack is flirting with her - and it's obvious by all his comments that it's about sex....but I do think it is more than just Sex.
I always thought - IMO - when she says "Why doesn't your compass work?" She is confused by her developing feelings for Jack - his close proximity is getting to her - that's why she is troubled - IMO - in the beginning of the curiosity scene....she is suppose to be in love with Will, but she finds herself thinking about and seeing Jack in a whole new light...she definitely has hero-worship for Jack...thats obvious...I thought - the first time I saw the movie, over a month ago (but have since seen it 4 more times...and watched the clips over and over) - that she was refering to how the compass points to Jack when she holds it...and if the compass is suppose to point to the thing you want most in this world...then why does it keep pointing to Jack...
and once again....why would the writers put the scene in where Norrington aknowledges the fact that Liz is "thinking" about Jack with a smile on her face...and how he would have given anything for her to look like that when thinking about him...and she says "I don't know what you mean" and he says "oh, I think you do..." and then she says "don't be absurd, I trust him that's all." to me her whole mannerisms in this scene...were like, oh no I've been caught daydreaming about Jack...and Sorry, but it's obvious they are talking about Jack and not Will...she is not thinking about Will at all in this scene....
And besides...true love always starts off as a sexual attraction....and it is thousands time stronger between Jack and Liz then Will and Liz....and to say that Jack can't settle for one woman...well if Jack stayed exactly as he did in the first movie and never changed....then he would have no character development....the writers have said we will see a side of Jack Sparrow that was never expected in the first movie.....
But I guess we shall see... i for one will be sorely disappointed if they just sweep POTC 2 under the rug and say "oh the whole jack and liz thing was just to take up space...it didn't really mean anything." Yeah Right.