Originally posted by Scribble
Jesus H, I wasn't digging at Kharmah. I like Kharmah, she's a top lass. You guys must be really shit at Connect The Dots, you could even turn what is supposed to be a duck into the outline of a racist homophobeOkay guys, can I deal with one of you, not both? Relationship double teams are just flat-out unfair.
Maybe just be better?
Originally posted by Bardock42I was satirising something I find more distasteful: the fact that people need labels to rest on.
I find satire in service of power and the status quo and at the expense of disenfranchised people distasteful.
I mean, Christ, I barely even identify as a gender other than the fact I have a dong. Gender is mostly a social construct, really, same with sexuality. Labels, labels, labels. When are we going to grow up and be human ****ing beings?
I'm so very tired of this world and I refuse to fight for it
Originally posted by Scribble
I was satirising something I find more distasteful: the fact that people need labels to rest on.I mean, Christ, I barely even identify as a gender other than the fact I have a dong. Gender is mostly a social construct, really, same with sexuality. Labels, labels, labels. When are we going to grow up and be human ****ing beings?
I'm so very tired of this world and I refuse to fight for it
Wow, you don't understand a lot of this stuff at all, do you?
Originally posted by Scribble
Wow, you just love oblique responses without explanation, don't you?
Sometimes it's too much effort to explain things to people. You obviously are fighting some overwhelming windmills right now, but if you would like to genuinely know why you are on the wrong track I can explain it to you, cause I do think you try to be a good person.
Originally posted by Bardock42Explain it to me, please, sir.
Sometimes it's too much effort to explain things to people. You obviously are fighting some overwhelming windmills right now, but if you would like to genuinely know why you are on the wrong track I can explain it to you, cause I do think you try to be a good person.
Edit: I find the fact that you think I'm so hard to get through to almost offensive, tbh. You're gonna fall off that horse one day, though. Realise you don't know literally everything there is to being a human.
Another edit: It's amazing that you also know so much about my private life from a score of messages. Tell me, where did you study online psychology? Bremen, maybe? You're practically a genius. I bet you even know my exact issues. The world could learn a lot from you, B. Get out there and do something real instead of sitting around teaching us peasants.
Originally posted by Scribble
Explain it to me, please, sir.
Rather than just mindlessly be mad at labels that this is all so silly, you should really focus on the cause of the problem.
Okay, I missed a lot. I'm just going to respond to things in the best way that I can.
I didn't take things the wrong way. I don't think that far ahead into compliments. If someone who is in a relationship compliments me, I accept it and move on. I don't think that "Oh they like me." or that "Oh they want to leave their girl." It's okay to compliment someone, just don't dig around too much.
I don't know what else was said, but I'm too lazy to type or explain how I feel on the matter of everything... Actually, I generally just don't care. XD People are entitled to how they feel, and I see no reason in arguing a point that will not change their mind.
Originally posted by Bardock42Jesus, you don't think I don't know that? That's modern ****ing culture 101, mate. I get it. But I don't think it's a very good long-term solution. It puts up further barriers, makes these marginalised parts of our culture even more 'different', and it gives them a name to be thrown back at them by genuine bigots. I'm not just 'mad at labels', there are many reasons why I dislike such labels. I find them unhealthy and I don't think they get to the root of the problem. Social change will not come about by creating more names, it just sets these humans further away from just simply being a human.
Sure, so people are persecuted for their gender and sexual identity, some of them stand up to this overwhelming negativity and aggression that society throws at them by declaring these labels proudly (that fit them, whether we are tired of labels or not). Your mockery ridicules only them, the people who are in no position of power, furthering the actual problem, that people that don't conform get a shit deal in society.Rather than just mindlessly be mad at labels that this is all so silly, you should really focus on the cause of the problem.
You think we're all idiots, that anyone with an opinion other than yours is mentally undeveloped. Well, you're wrong. I've thought on these things for many days, and I went through your current pamper-the-world mindset and I found it inadequate.
But, you're just gonna pass this off with some half-witty comment and pretend I'm a dumb baby anyway, aren't you?
Because I can't be right because you're right
Originally posted by Scribble
Jesus, you don't think I don't know that? That's modern ****ing culture 101, mate. I get it. But I don't think it's a very good long-term solution. It puts up further barriers, makes these marginalised parts of our culture even more 'different', and it gives them a name to be thrown back at them by genuine bigots. I'm not just 'mad at labels', there are many reasons why I dislike such labels. I find them unhealthy and I don't think they get to the root of the problem. Social change will not come about by creating more names, it just sets these humans further away from just simply being a human.You think we're all idiots, that anyone with an opinion other than yours is mentally undeveloped. Well, you're wrong. I've thought on these things for many days, and I went through your current pamper-the-world mindset and I found it inadequate.
But, you're just gonna pass this off with some half-witty comment and pretend I'm a dumb baby anyway, aren't you?
Because I can't be right because you're right
I do think you are wrong. Like I said I'm not about pampering the world, really the world as a whole is the issue, but I'm against mindless spray and pray which really only hurts the disadvantaged and oppressed. Your attitude, while ostensibly against the status quo, actually just furthers it, and since you do agree with my underlying premise, I would like to change your mind, in time, to adopt what I consider a better approach, that doesn't hurt people who don't deserve it.
Originally posted by Bardock42So, you agree that we should just keep putting up social boundaries and label everything and that'll solve all of our problems? I mean, how are you even helping the world? Do you start kickstarters for social awareness? Do you actively campaign with speeches and talk groups to further change? Do you even go to protests or marches? What do you actually do to help the world, other than argue with 15-to-25 year olds on a dead forum?
I do think you are wrong. Like I said I'm not about pampering the world, really the world as a whole is the issue, but I'm against mindless spray and pray which really only hurts the disadvantaged and oppressed. Your attitude, while ostensibly against the status quo, actually just furthers it, and since you do agree with my underlying premise, I would like to change your mind, in time, to adopt what I consider a better approach, that doesn't hurt people who don't deserve it.
Originally posted by Scribble
So, you agree that we should just keep putting up social boundaries and label everything and that'll solve all of our problems? I mean, how are you even helping the world? Do you start kickstarters for social awareness? Do you actively campaign with speeches and talk groups to further change? Do you even go to protests or marches? What do you actually do to help the world, other than argue with 15-to-25 year olds on a dead forum?
I think we should support people who truly identify as something to do that without mockery and ridicule. I think we should smash down the rigid labels that society imposes on us. I think those two are perfectly compatible ideas. And hey, you're right, I know I could be better, lets be better together.
Originally posted by Scribble
So, you agree that we should just keep putting up social boundaries and label everything and that'll solve all of our problems? I mean, how are you even helping the world? Do you start kickstarters for social awareness? Do you actively campaign with speeches and talk groups to further change? Do you even go to protests or marches? What do you actually do to help the world, other than argue with 15-to-25 year olds on a dead forum?
Originally posted by Bardock42It's obvious we come from the same school of thought on this one. It's probably just our individual life experiences that have shaped our current outlooks.
I think we should support people who truly identify as something to do that without mockery and ridicule. I think we should smash down the rigid labels that society imposes on us. I think those two are perfectly compatible ideas. And hey, you're right, I know I could be better, lets be better together.
Here's one of the issues with all of the labels stuff: people are great at mimicking. They love fads and trends. If these labels keep being mashed into our heads, they'll become buzzwords just like everything else seems to turn into. Yeah, I agree with the use of basic terms such as gay and straight and bisexual and transgender and such, because they're kind of essential just simply as definitions to base other definitions on. But the more outlandish terms we conjure up, the less seriously it'll be taken.
I have smashed down the rigid labels that society has tried to plant on me. I know who I am, which is to say, really, that I don't truly know who I am, and I am happy with that. I'm not 'straight' – I want to have sex with women, but I often find men attractive, but not so much that I'm 'bi'. I have a cock, but I am as much in touch with the feminine inside of me as I am the masculine, to the point where they may as well be interchangeable. Yes, I am 'White' or Caucasian or whatever, but as a nationality, I identify as British, a country with a huge range of races and cultures, so I identify with their culture in similar ways I do with the purely 'White' culture. I don't rely on labels and I feel so much better for it. I am, simply, me, whatever the **** that is. Yes, we do need to challenge the Patriarchy that does exist in the world, we do need to fight the bigotry, and the classism and racism and everything, but like you said, let's do it together. Not as Blacks and Whites, or Men and Women, or Gays and Straights, just do it as people. Change the world without bringing in another system just as complex and prone to issues such as the world of separation that all of these terms so many people cling to want to bring in.
Terms and labels were important, back when that's all they had, socially. You had to be "gay and proud", otherwise you'd just be another person stuck in a world that hated them without anything to help you stand up to it all. The world isn't like that now. We're changing as people, and I think the next logical step is to bring down the pigeonholes we get rammed into. We solve our own individual problems as well as our global society's problems at the same time. The nasty, bigoted side of the world is one problem, but we all have our own problems, too. So let's do both at once.
I do my bit. I be as nice as I can, and maybe that's not as angelic as you, but hey, I don't care. I'm happy with who I am in every respect, regardless of inherent or learned flaws.