Again, Sidious isn't a God, Dooku got rid of Obi-Wan while Anakin was on the ground incapable of attacking, there are 3 people fighting Sidious. They can stop a Force Push with another Push. They again can all block the Lightning. It would be impossible for him to beat all 3, Force Crush takes time to use, the Cartoon characters are extremely powerful, more so than the real ones, Grievous would be able to keep Sidious at bay with his Sabers, while Gui-Gon and Obi-Wan slashed him up
I know that Sidious isen't a god, however, you don't need to be a god to take down 3 persons...
No, they cannot counter Sidious push with a force push, he is leagues above them in the force. Sure they might be able to counter lightning, but are they strong enough to hold it? And Grievous hasn't got the force, he cannot simply put his lightsaber out and take all the lightning away, jedi uses the force to make the lightning only go into the lightsaber don't they? (I mean, like direct the lightning in that way, instead of having it flying all over themselfs)
So if the cartoon characters can make it fast, that means that it MUST be slow to do it normally? It's just to close his hand, as easy as it is for him to grip people.
Originally posted by Advent
Biggest load of shit heard all day? I think so. Qui-Gon is the weak link, unless you're going to say that Darth Maul will beat Obi-Wan in 30 seconds flat.And, for your information - Soresu is a defensive form, true, but you don't strictly block and block. See: Duel with Grievous. If anything, Kenobi or Grievous are the strongest links. More than likely Kenobi given he's beaten Grievous, and also has the Force (albeit not very good usage). It's ridiculous to think that somehow Qui-Gon is stronger than ROTS Obi-Wan, who would defeat Qui-Gon no problems.
Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Sidious would get owned, General Grievous was capable of taking 5+ Jedi all striking him at once, several of which were Concil Members and of course Aayla Secura too (Sidious wasn't exactly attacked, he killed them all too quick) Plus Kenobi was very strong in ROTS, master of Soresu, and Qui-Gon was also pretty powerful. Sidious dies
And Palpatine killed 3 Council members in less then 5 seconds.
This is an interesting fight. I would say Sidious would lose though. The Sith Lord is good, but I don't think he can handle his three enemies. Qui-Gon is the weakest link, but I think he'll probably last longer than Fisto, but then die. Sidious would have to use Force powers on Grievous, plus he has to handle Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. I believe Qui-Gon will die, Grievous gets killed by the Force, but I think the sacrifice will be enough for Obi-Wan to prevail.
Despite Sidious being very strong, I can't see him handling all three of them.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
Qui-Gon is the weak link here. GG could take him with minimal effort, Obi-Wan would beat him but it might take longer. Sidious however is the strongest guy here. If the duo can force Sidious into a saber duel I can see them winning, if not, then Sids just pwns them with the force.
Lol, sorry. Ignore that post I misread the title.
Qui-Gon is the weak link. He will get killed by Sids early on with minimal effort. However now Sids is left to fight the Soresu master and the robotic jedi killing machine. Obi-Wan might might be able to hold off Sids attacks for a while but he will eventually be killed. But Sids will also have to block the four sabers of GG. Sids is good, but not good enough to take on both GG and Kenobi at once in a lightsaber duel. He will either have to seperate them and kill them one by one or just pwn them with the force.
He won't get the chance to "pwn them with the Force" there's 3 of them, he has to hold off their attacks while channeling his Force Powers, Obi-Wan can obviously last a long time, as he beat Anakin, who could have very well taken Sidious at that time, Qui-Gon was able to fight Darth Maul by himself for sometime, he'll last, and of course Grievous, he has the 4 Lightsabers, there's no way Palpatine can fend off 6.
As to Palpatine taking 3 Council Members down in seconds, they were surprised by the attack, didn't see it coming, and got stabbed, he didn't actually have to fight them, Grievous had to take on 5 at once using only 2 Sabers, while they used Force attacks, and surrounded him
He won't get the chance to "pwn them with the Force" there's 3 of them, he has to hold off their attacks while channeling his Force Powers, Obi-Wan can obviously last a long time, as he beat Anakin, who could have very well taken Sidious at that time, Qui-Gon was able to fight Darth Maul by himself for sometime, he'll last, and of course Grievous, he has the 4 Lightsabers, there's no way Palpatine can fend off 6.
Palpatine is leagues above any of these combatants with the Force. They stand no chance against him in single combat. If he manages to get either of them isolated, they are utterly crushed.
As to your assertion that "Obi-Wan beat Anakin, who could've beat Sidious", Anakin wasn't able to defeat Palpatine at the time of Revenge of the Sith. He would've been able to eventually, but not at the time.
Also, didn't Yoda tell Obi-Wan that: "Strong enough, to defeat Lord Sidious, you are not" The RotS novelization goes so far as to say "you never will", which is true. Palpatine > Obi-Wan. By a mile.
Lastly, Count Dooku (Sidious's inferior) used the Force once on Obi-Wan, and it was sufficient enough to put him out of the fight completely. So, then, tell me why can't Sidious (who is more powerful than Dooku in the Force) do the same, if not faster?
Obi-Wan was more skilled in combat than Grievous. The only time Grievous was close to defeating Obi-Wan is when they engaged in unarmed combat, and Grievous owned him. Sidious - who possesses intricate knowledge of Grievous's capabilities - would not be foolish enough to do that, and would be able to exploit a weakness. He would annihilate Grievous, as well.
As to Palpatine taking 3 Council Members down in seconds, they were surprised by the attack, didn't see it coming, and got stabbed, he didn't actually have to fight them, Grievous had to take on 5 at once using only 2 Sabers, while they used Force attacks, and surrounded him.
You and I saw a different movie, then. The movie I saw had those Jedi Masters aware that Palpatine was Darth Sidious prior to their departure to his office. Being a Sith Lord, they obviously knew that this wasn't a benign enemy.
This point is underlined, as the Jedi ignite their sabers first, meaning they were prepared for a fight.
The point is again underlined when Sidious slowly gets up, ignites his lightsaber, and even tosses off a one-liner, before rushing them.
They were prepared. They were just inferior. Sidious was faster, more agile, and more skilled. Lucas even commented that: "you need to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor".
Anakin's, Dooku's, Obi-Wan's, Qui-Gon's, and Grievous's name don't appear on that list. He won because he was more powerful and smarter.
So, that said:
Palpatine can disable any of these three with his command of the Force. Obi-Wan (Sidious's inferior) disarmed and stunned Grievous (also Sidious's inferior) with a Force push. Dooku (Sidious's inferior - beginning to see a pattern?) used the Force once and put Obi-Wan completely out of the fight.
Qui-Gon's weaker than either of those two. He'd be the first to die. He's no match for Sidious in saber combat or in the Force. A few swings, and he'd be down. Obi-Wan and Grievous follow suit. They are annihilated.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Blah, blah, blah, what a bunch of bullshit, watch the duel on the Invisible Hand and you'll see that Kenobi's the weak link. Due to his weak offensive skills he won't be able to do shit.
Weak offensive skills? You mean the offensive skills he used on General "I beat the shit out of Jedi for minimum wage" Grievous? Let me repeat: Soresu is not block, block, lol ok, block.
By your logic, Sora Bulq is a piece of shit and so is Master Tholme. As well, watch the battle on Mustafar, foolish one. For having "weak offensive" skills why would Kit Fisto wish Obi-Wan was there with them before they entered the office?
Obviously he doesn't suck, your argument, however, does (look, ma, I made a joke).
And somehow Qui-Gon can do a thing? The man who was dropped in 30 seconds flat by Darth Ray Park? That's wonderful.
Lmfao. And quit saying "blah, blah, blah" when I just provided ample proof that tramples yours. The only bullshit brought is from your end. "L0l w4tch R0tS". Yeah, well watch The Phantom Menace. Qui-Gon, even when the script and novelization corroborate the fact that he was fighting with a "ferocity not seen before", and had found a "new reserve of strength", was dropped by Maul in thirty seconds flat.
Now, unless Qui-Gon "Maverick" Jinn can somehow drop Grievous, shut up. Basically, you're implying that ROTS Kenobi would die to Maul within thirty seconds. This is hilarity at best when he lasted longer as a padawan (albeit enraged). Kenobi would smack the shit out of Maul, Qui-Gon - as we already have witnessed - would die.
Quit being a noob. You're wrong, and you have no argument. Obi-Wan > Jinn. Period. My evidence - uh, common sense, logical deduction, the movies. Yours? "Lol Invisible Hand". Acting as if Qui-Gon "Half a minute" Jinn could've done any better.
And before you go onto Obi-Wan's time of fighting Dooku (which is 22 seconds, btw) - you must realize that Count Dooku would tool Darth Maul as well, and definitely Qui-Gon just as fast. Now, we take into account Obi-Wan was able to make Grievous run away after slicing off two of his robotnik hands off. This is Grievous who beat the shit out of six Jedi at once, is more powerful than Asajj, beat Asajj and Durge at the same time, and is known as having "deadly skill", and several other references.
Qui-Gon IS the weakest link. Goodbye.
Originally posted by Escape81
Palpatine is leagues above any of these combatants with the Force. They stand no chance against him in single combat. If he manages to get either of them isolated, they are utterly crushed.As to your assertion that "Obi-Wan beat Anakin, who could've beat Sidious", Anakin wasn't able to defeat Palpatine at the time of Revenge of the Sith. He would've been able to eventually, but not at the time.
Also, didn't Yoda tell Obi-Wan that: "Strong enough, to defeat Lord Sidious, [B]you are not
" The RotS novelization goes so far as to say "you never will", which is true. Palpatine > Obi-Wan. By a mile.Lastly, Count Dooku (Sidious's inferior) used the Force once on Obi-Wan, and it was sufficient enough to put him out of the fight completely. So, then, tell me why can't Sidious (who is more powerful than Dooku in the Force) do the same, if not faster?
Obi-Wan was more skilled in combat than Grievous. The only time Grievous was close to defeating Obi-Wan is when they engaged in unarmed combat, and Grievous owned him. Sidious - who possesses intricate knowledge of Grievous's capabilities - would not be foolish enough to do that, and would be able to exploit a weakness. He would annihilate Grievous, as well.
You and I saw a different movie, then. The movie I saw had those Jedi Masters aware that Palpatine was Darth Sidious prior to their departure to his office. Being a Sith Lord, they obviously knew that this wasn't a benign enemy.
This point is underlined, as the Jedi ignite their sabers first, meaning they were prepared for a fight.
The point is again underlined when Sidious slowly gets up, ignites his lightsaber, and even tosses off a one-liner, before rushing them.
They were prepared. They were just inferior. Sidious was faster, more agile, and more skilled. Lucas even commented that: "you need to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor".
Anakin's, Dooku's, Obi-Wan's, Qui-Gon's, and Grievous's name don't appear on that list. He won because he was more powerful and smarter.
So, that said:
Palpatine can disable any of these three with his command of the
Force. Obi-Wan (Sidious's inferior) disarmed and stunned Grievous (also Sidious's inferior) with a Force push. Dooku (Sidious's inferior - beginning to see a pattern?) used the Force once and put Obi-Wan completely out of the fight.
Qui-Gon's weaker than either of those two. He'd be the first to die. He's no match for Sidious in saber combat or in the Force. A few swings, and he'd be down. Obi-Wan and Grievous follow suit. They are annihilated. [/B]
Ok, I'm going to skip the Yoda/Sidious/Obi-Wan/Anakin first 2 paragraphs, I'm pretty sure somewhere it said Anakin was capable, but whatever
If you notice when Obi-Wan gets brought down by a Force Crush, Anakin is on the ground, he has the ability to use the Power, with 2 other people hitting Palpatine, 1 who is wielding 4 Lightsabers, I don't think he'll be able to do that, especially since I don't think it ever mentions Palpatine having Force Crush/Grip
Actualy Grievous was more skilled in combat, the only reason Obi-Wan won that fight, was 1.) Because he had his Organs Crushed by Mace Windu(This Versus is him before that) 2.)Obi-Wan used the Force to get rid of his Lightsabers
The Jedi Masters did not know for sure, they were going to arrest him, and wern't taking chances of that, it was more of a "Ok, don't make any sudden moves" type thing. I don't know about you, but I'm not expecting some Old dude to pull out a Saber from nowhere, and jump in a Corkscrew at me at a quick speed, and jump in front of me, they were likely spaced out in a "Holy SH**!" type thing. One of them was the Master of Form 1, as well as another top duelist, they didn't even block, that doesn't count as skill
The only real thing he could do without taking the time to get slashed up is Lightning, they all have Lightsabers, they can block it, it becomes a Lightsaber duel, he'll have to focus on Grievous, who is obviously the biggest threat, with his 4 Swords swinging at him, Obi-Wan being a Master of Soresu, could easily last in Lightsaber combat, and since Sidious has to focus on the others, Qui-Gon won't die, Sidious will lose a Lightsaber fight against 6 Lightsabers
Ok, I'm going to skip the Yoda/Sidious/Obi-Wan/Anakin first 2 paragraphs, I'm pretty sure somewhere it said Anakin was capable, but whatever
Why's that ? It seemed to me as if you were implying that Obi-Wan could either defeat Sidious or give him a run for his money. I'm telling you that he can't do either. Apparently I need to reiterate some simple facts to you:
a. Darth Sidious is more powerful than Count Dooku.
b. Count Dooku managed to fight Obi-Wan while fighting Anakin.
c. Count Dooku used the Force and put Obi-Wan completely out of the fight, with one maneuver.
Now, just in case you missed it, read it again. Count Dooku manhandled Obi-Wan. The only reason Obi-Wan lasted against Dooku for that long is because Dooku was too busy trying to not get owned by Anakin, who was getting stronger as Dooku and Obi-Wan were getting more tired. And then, when Dooku decides it's time to put Obi-Wan out of the fight, he does so, with one Force move.
Now, we've established that Palpatine is more powerful than Dooku in the Force. He can do the same thing with even more damaging effects, and likely - quicker.
So, Obi-Wan can and will be taken out of the fight by Palpatine. Palpatine is far more powerful than Obi-Wan. I hope you understand that, now.
If you notice when Obi-Wan gets brought down by a Force Crush, Anakin is on the ground, he has the ability to use the Power, with 2 other people hitting Palpatine, 1 who is wielding 4 Lightsabers, I don't think he'll be able to do that, especially since I don't think it ever mentions Palpatine having Force Crush/Grip
Let's see.
Palpatine can disable Obi-Wan with the Force, who is his biggest threat of the three. General Grievous's lightsabers don't matter. Obi-Wan blocked them all, even overhanded swings by Grievous - who possesses superhuman strength. Sidious is faster and more capable than Obi-Wan (and also has the advantage of far stronger Force powers)
Furthermore, maybe you don't understand. Anakin learned that assault less than a day after his sojourn to the Dark Side. You're telling me that a powerful master such as Sidious doesn't know that feat? You're insane.
Where do you think Dooku learned it from?
Actualy Grievous was more skilled in combat, the only reason Obi-Wan won that fight, was 1.) Because he had his Organs Crushed by Mace Windu(This Versus is him before that) 2.)Obi-Wan used the Force to get rid of his Lightsabers
a. No. Mace told Obi-Wan that he "has the best chance to stop Grievous" due to the simplicity of his form, the powerful defense it provides, and that Obi-Wan is a master of it.
b. Obi-Wan and Grievous fought blade-to-blade. Don't you forget when Obi-Wan disarmed him twice without the assistance of the Force? Obi-Wan disarmed the other two with the Force.
And there ya go. Sidious is far more powerful than Obi-Wan in the Force. He can disarm Grievous with ease.
The Jedi Masters did not know for sure, they were going to arrest him, and wern't taking chances of that, it was more of a "Ok, don't make any sudden moves" type thing. I don't know about you, but I'm not expecting some Old dude to pull out a Saber from nowhere, and jump in a Corkscrew at me at a quick speed, and jump in front of me, they were likely spaced out in a "Holy SH**!" type thing. One of them was the Master of Form 1, as well as another top duelist, they didn't even block, that doesn't count as skill
The Jedi were armed with the knowledge that he was a Sith Lord. They may not have faced one before, but even Mace knew that Palpatine was likely to be a big threat if he were. They even ignited their lightsabers first, too.
Palpatine took his jolly old time doing it. They were already prepared and in combat stance. They lost because he is simply better than they are.
The only real thing he could do without taking the time to get slashed up is Lightning, they all have Lightsabers, they can block it, it becomes a Lightsaber duel,
Um... no. Palpatine is the most powerful Force user in the PT (excluding Yoda). He has mastery of the Force. He has more than just lightning. Furthermore, Yoda (who is capable of superhuman strength in combat) was unable to block Sidious's Force lightning with a lightsaber. It was blasted right out of his hand.
he'll have to focus on Grievous, who is obviously the biggest threat, with his 4 Swords swinging at him,
No. Obi-Wan is more skilled than Grievous. We;ve already proven that Grievous's sabers mean jack.
Obi-Wan being a Master of Soresu, could easily last in Lightsaber combat, and since Sidious has to focus on the others, Qui-Gon won't die, Sidious will lose a Lightsaber fight against 6 Lightsabers
No. He'll obliterate Qui-Gon, disable Obi-Wan easily, and then destroy Grievous.
Originally posted by Advent
Weak offensive skills? You mean the offensive skills he used on General "I beat the shit out of Jedi for minimum wage" Grievous? Let me repeat: [b]Soresu is not block, block, lol ok, block.By your logic, Sora Bulq is a piece of shit and so is Master Tholme. As well, watch the battle on Mustafar, foolish one. For having "weak offensive" skills why would Kit Fisto wish Obi-Wan was there with them before they entered the office?
Obviously he doesn't suck, your argument, however, does (look, ma, I made a joke).
And somehow Qui-Gon can do a thing? The man who was dropped in 30 seconds flat by Darth Ray Park? That's wonderful.
Lmfao. And quit saying "blah, blah, blah" when I just provided ample proof that tramples yours. The only bullshit brought is from your end. "L0l w4tch R0tS". Yeah, well watch The Phantom Menace. Qui-Gon, even when the script and novelization corroborate the fact that he was fighting with a "ferocity not seen before", and had found a "new reserve of strength", was dropped by Maul in thirty seconds flat.
Now, unless Qui-Gon "Maverick" Jinn can somehow drop Grievous, shut up. Basically, you're implying that ROTS Kenobi would die to Maul within thirty seconds. This is hilarity at best when he lasted longer as a padawan (albeit enraged). Kenobi would smack the shit out of Maul, Qui-Gon - as we already have witnessed - would die.
Quit being a noob. You're wrong, and you have no argument. Obi-Wan > Jinn. Period. My evidence - uh, common sense, logical deduction, the movies. Yours? "Lol Invisible Hand". Acting as if Qui-Gon "Half a minute" Jinn could've done any better.
And before you go onto Obi-Wan's time of fighting Dooku (which is 22 seconds, btw) - you must realize that Count Dooku would tool Darth Maul as well, and definitely Qui-Gon just as fast. Now, we take into account Obi-Wan was able to make Grievous run away after slicing off two of his robotnik hands off. This is Grievous who beat the shit out of six Jedi at once, is more powerful than Asajj, beat Asajj and Durge at the same time, and is known as having "deadly skill", and several other references.
Qui-Gon IS the weakest link. Goodbye. [/B]
Originally posted by Escape81a. No. Mace told Obi-Wan that he "has the best chance to stop Grievous" due to the simplicity of his form, the powerful defense it provides, and that Obi-Wan is a master of it.
b. Obi-Wan and Grievous fought blade-to-blade. Don't you forget when Obi-Wan disarmed him [B]twice
without the assistance of the Force? Obi-Wan disarmed the other two with the Force.And there ya go. Sidious is far more powerful than Obi-Wan in the Force. He can disarm Grievous with ease.
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I agree with everything else you have posted but I think you are missing the point here (or i might be lol). Yes, Obi-Wan was the best equipped to fight GG because of his style. Soresu is the number 1 defencive form and this will be a huge advantage against GG's 4 blades. But Sidious uses a completely different style. He will not be able to block all 4 blades (plus another 2 from Jinn and Kenobi) because he uses an offensive style. Also isnt this GG before he was force crushed by Mace? I dont remember but if it is that is just another large factor playing against Sidious. I agree 100% that Sids is stronger than Kenobi, but this doesnt ensure a victory over Greivous. It is basically saying Sids<Obi-Wan<GG so Sids must be better than GG as well. Doesnt work like that.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Wow, what a bunch of bullshit. Obi-Wan used defense on Grievous, not offense. Total bullshit.
I never said he used just offense, but Soresu is NOTblock, block, lol ok, block. In his fight with Grievous, he's seen attacking, same with his fight with Anakin at parts.
Sadly, the fact of the matter is - you're wrong. Qui-Gon is the weak link. So, your argument = dead. It's also comedic at best when you consider you offer one little statement in comparison to my argument. Then again, what can I expect from someone of your caliber.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Is the bullshit gone now?
Well, as long as your still posting - no.
Good, now, I'm not comign back to this thread so don't bother responding to this
Too late.
with more bullshit cause it'd be a watse of all of our time as well as a watse of thread space.
Okay, so basically you're waving the white flag because I decimated your argument and now you can't think of anyway to retort properly because I'm right?
Alright. I accept. And it's ridiculous to claim "wasting thread space" when these forums aren't even that important, or ridiculous when you consider almost every thread has off topic posting, but actually - my post was on topic, we're talking about Qui-Gon being the weak link, you agreeing that I'm right, and so on.
RELEVANCE? ZERO LOLOL.
Originally posted by Escape81
Why's that ? It seemed to me as if you were implying that Obi-Wan could either defeat Sidious or give him a run for his money. I'm telling you that he can't do [B]either. Apparently I need to reiterate some simple facts to you:a. Darth Sidious is more powerful than Count Dooku.
b. Count Dooku managed to fight Obi-Wan while fighting Anakin.
c. Count Dooku used the Force and put Obi-Wan completely out of the fight, with one maneuver.
Now, just in case you missed it, read it again. Count Dooku manhandled Obi-Wan. The only reason Obi-Wan lasted against Dooku for that long is because Dooku was too busy trying to not get owned by Anakin, who was getting stronger as Dooku and Obi-Wan were getting more tired. And then, when Dooku decides it's time to put Obi-Wan out of the fight, he does so, with one Force move.
Now, we've established that Palpatine is more powerful than Dooku in the Force. He can do the same thing with even more damaging effects, and likely - quicker.
So, Obi-Wan can and will be taken out of the fight by Palpatine. Palpatine is far more powerful than Obi-Wan. I hope you understand that, now.
Let's see.
Palpatine can disable Obi-Wan with the Force, who is his biggest threat of the three. General Grievous's lightsabers don't matter. Obi-Wan blocked them all, even overhanded swings by Grievous - who possesses superhuman strength. Sidious is faster and more capable than Obi-Wan (and also has the advantage of far stronger Force powers)
Furthermore, maybe you don't understand. Anakin learned that assault less than a day after his sojourn to the Dark Side. You're telling me that a powerful master such as Sidious doesn't know that feat? You're insane.
Where do you think Dooku learned it from?
a. No. Mace told Obi-Wan that he "has the best chance to stop Grievous" due to the simplicity of his form, the powerful defense it provides, and that Obi-Wan is a master of it.
b. Obi-Wan and Grievous fought blade-to-blade. Don't you forget when Obi-Wan disarmed him twice without the assistance of the Force? Obi-Wan disarmed the other two with the Force.
And there ya go. Sidious is far more powerful than Obi-Wan in the Force. He can disarm Grievous with ease.
The Jedi were armed with the knowledge that he was a Sith Lord. They may not have faced one before, but even Mace knew that Palpatine was likely to be a big threat if he were. They even ignited their lightsabers first, too.
Palpatine took his jolly old time doing it. They were already prepared and in combat stance. They lost because he is simply better than they are.
Um... no. Palpatine is the most powerful Force user in the PT (excluding Yoda). He has mastery of the Force. He has more than just lightning. Furthermore, Yoda (who is capable of superhuman strength in combat) was unable to block Sidious's Force lightning with a lightsaber. It was blasted right out of his hand.
No. Obi-Wan is more skilled than Grievous. We;ve already proven that Grievous's sabers mean jack.
No. He'll obliterate Qui-Gon, disable Obi-Wan easily, and then destroy Grievous. [/B]
Obi-Wan could last a while, Soresu gives him that advantage, he can easily block Lightning as shown in AOTC. Yes, he was fighting Anakin, but he didn't "manhandle" Obi-Wan till Anakin was on the ground, with another person beating on you, you can't use the Deadly Force Powers without dangerous risks. As said, Sidious may be stronger, but while fighting 3 people at once, he will need to keep the other 2 off, not an easy task. I never doubted that Sidious was stronger, I pointed out that he would just last against him, with the other 2 beating on him
What makes you think Sidious will take the biggest threat down first? In the battle with the other 4, he took the weak ones down, not Mace, and he would obviously want to take Grievous down, as this is the Powerful Acrobatic one that fought 5 Jedi with only 2 Sabers, without taking a hit
Sidious as far as I know, never was shown using Force Crush or Grip, differant Powers are known by differant users. Where did Mace learn his from? They learned them on their own I'm sure
Yes, I know about the Lightsaber thing, but Obi-Wan would be destroyed by this Grievous, who moved incredibly quick, with Reflexes better than a Jedis
You do realise that Obi-Wan was straining to do that Force Push that did him in, Sidious again can not pull off dangerous Powers unless he wants to get Sliced open by one of the 6 Flying Lightsabers
Yes Sidious was better than them all, cause we actually got to see them fight, it was just bad screening on Lucas' part, no matter how skilled you are, 1 stab won't kill you if you are, unless you want to say he just beat weak losers, then his potential wasn't realised. Since Lucas' bad directing is what obviously caused this, I'll go with the Theory that they were in a "OH SH**!" mode
You do realise that Yoda uses a tiny Lightsaber, and is himself small, Obi-Wan casually let his Lightsaber absorb Dooku's in AOTC(and yes, Sidious is more powerful, Obi-Wan might actually have to try)
Obi-Wan is not more skilled, as Grievous knows all forms of Lightsaber combat, has Robotic Circuitry telling his brain what to do, and has 4 Arms. Again, the reason he lost was because of that Lung damage (and more crap on Lucas' part, but that's not Canonical)
Your arguements are all based like they're fighting 1 on 1, which they arn't this is 3 on 1 at one time, Sidious is going to be forced into Saber combat, where he will lose, the only one he MIGHT kill is Qui-Gon. Without the ability to channel his Force Powers through his arms, he can't use them.