Most powerful PIS-aura.

Originally posted by David_Richards
PIS as you call it is simply an instance in comics where a character found a way in a perticular fight to overcome the odds and achive victory. A good debator can argue around it.

Debating is not about choosing which facts we like or don't like. Its about comming up with a truth derived from an examination of ALL the facts connected to the topic at hand.

Its like the Global Warming Debate or the Debate on Evolution. Scientist present facts to prove their arguement and right wing politicans pretend they dont exist and only listen to the facts they like that support what they already think.

If something is logical then the facts should back it up.

Thats why I said

"since it is only that one time Colossus defeated Magneto, you could argue there was outside factors which diminished Magnetos power in that perticular fight. Read the issue where the fight happened and see if there was anything which diminsihed his powers in that fight."

Originally posted by David_Richards
PIS as you call it is simply an instance in comics where a character found a way in a perticular fight to overcome the odds and achive victory. A good debator can argue around it.

Debating is not about choosing which facts we like or don't like. Its about comming up with a truth derived from an examination of ALL the facts connected to the topic at hand.

Its like the Global Warming Debate or the Debate on Evolution. Scientist present facts to prove their arguement and right wing politicans pretend they dont exist and only listen to the facts they like that support what they already think.

Originally posted by David_Richards
PIS as you call it is simply an instance in comics where a character found a way in a perticular fight to overcome the odds and achive victory. A good debator can argue around it.

Debating is not about choosing which facts we like or don't like. Its about comming up with a truth derived from an examination of ALL the facts connected to the topic at hand.

Its like the Global Warming Debate or the Debate on Evolution. Scientist present facts to prove their arguement and right wing politicans pretend they dont exist and only listen to the facts they like that support what they already think.

Actually the rule of why we have No PIS statments is for the mere fact that we want to see the fights done on the generally accepted views of a character. If you tripped and fell and knocked yourself out, would I salute the concrete slab and give it a gold medal?

Obvious PIS is not discussed because it detracts from those who are trying to present the true facts of a case. There will always be people who attempt to throw in PIS, saying that it holds true for it is onpanel. However, in the case of example spiderman vs hulk, spidey didn't beat hulk, the building did. So you exclude that example. Also we don't include areas that are obviously far and above the imposed power levels of a character. If for example .... Firelord can survive a nuclear explosion.. the core of the sun.. and a blackhole exploding.. but not a punch from spiderman.. you have to admit that something is dreadfully wrong there.

Originally posted by David_Richards
Actually none of you would fair well in a real debate since they accept all the facts relevant to the toppic not just the ones they like.

There is fact in this statement

Its not just MY definition join any school debate club or any debate club in any city and I gaurntee they allow ALL facts related to the debate topic in. And why is this? Because they aren't scared of the fact becuase they are good enouhg debators to argue around them.

If you don't like a fact that involves PIS as you call it, then simply find another fight that can be used to contradict it. You can as I;ve said argue that something involved in that fight was to one characters advantage and that on a level playing field one character would achive victory.

Ignoring Facts we dont like is why there is still people who don't believe in Evolution and Global Warming. You can't just stick your head in the sand and pretend facts don't exist. That's not how intelligent people debate.

Also if you really want to know which character can win in a fight just e-mail marvel or DC and they will help. I did it when I wanted to prove my namesake could defeat the phoenix (Which I dont like any more then any of you) and they stated that on a level playing feild he would.

Use real facts and not opinion and not only does it make you a good debator but you will find less people questioning your findings.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You know what fine. NO ONE else wants to have a real debate by your definition of the word. We have chosen instead to use common sense and GOOD judgment, when it comes to the facts that have been laid out before us. WE all agree about what counts and what doesn't. If YOU don't like that, go have one of your idiotic REAL debates, with someone who's willing, BECAUSE NONE OF US ARE. We choose instead, to debate relevant points, and actually follow the rules of this forum. Debate however you want, but stay out of our faces when it comes to our conversations.

I like this thread. It feels like I'm talking to some charlatan thats trying to sell me some mystical elixir of hair growth... when its really fish oils and vinegar.

He's allowed his point... but obviously its not a commonly accepted one. So he can make his arguements...

IE. PIS... is similar to why we also do not allow Non-canon material.
Just cause Ultimate Hulk does something... doesn't mean 616 Hulk can do it.

We also have debates dependant upon which version of a character you pic. IE. PreRetcon Beyonder vs. Living Tribunal. IE if you were to use all versions... of beyonder,, and did not debate within the stated criteria.. you would probably use post retcon beyonder.. which would mean that beyonder would lost to LT... however if you stayed within the areas of the debate.. you'd see PR Beyonder would win.

:/

I understand you're new, but this isn't necessarily a very difficult concept.

Originally posted by David_Richards
Its not just MY definition join any school debate club or any debate club in any city and I gaurntee they allow ALL facts related to the debate topic in. And why is this? Because they aren't scared of the fact becuase they are good enouhg debators to argue around them.

If you don't like a fact that involves PIS as you call it, then simply find another fight that can be used to contradict it. You can as I;ve said argue that something involved in that fight was to one characters advantage and that on a level playing field one character would achive victory.

Ignoring Facts we dont like is why there is still people who don't believe in Evolution and Global Warming. You can't just stick your head in the sand and pretend facts don't exist. That's not how intelligent people debate.

Also if you really want to know which character can win in a fight just e-mail marvel or DC and they will help. I did it when I wanted to prove my namesake could defeat the phoenix (Which I dont like any more then any of you) and they stated that on a level playing feild he would.

Use real facts and not opinion and not only does it make you a good debator but you will find less people questioning your findings.

Then make a spacific thread, say "Ultimate Hulk vs Mags" not just "Hulk vs Mags"

Originally posted by David_Richards
Its not just MY definition join any school debate club or any debate club in any city and I gaurntee they allow ALL facts related to the debate topic in. And why is this? Because they aren't scared of the fact becuase they are good enouhg debators to argue around them.

If you don't like a fact that involves PIS as you call it, then simply find another fight that can be used to contradict it. You can as I;ve said argue that something involved in that fight was to one characters advantage and that on a level playing field one character would achive victory.

Ignoring Facts we dont like is why there is still people who don't believe in Evolution and Global Warming. You can't just stick your head in the sand and pretend facts don't exist. That's not how intelligent people debate.

Also if you really want to know which character can win in a fight just e-mail marvel or DC and they will help. I did it when I wanted to prove my namesake could defeat the phoenix (Which I dont like any more then any of you) and they stated that on a level playing feild he would.

Use real facts and not opinion and not only does it make you a good debator but you will find less people questioning your findings.

Originally posted by David_Richards
Its not just MY definition join any school debate club or any debate club in any city and I gaurntee they allow ALL facts related to the debate topic in. And why is this? Because they aren't scared of the fact becuase they are good enouhg debators to argue around them.

If you don't like a fact that involves PIS as you call it, then simply find another fight that can be used to contradict it. You can as I;ve said argue that something involved in that fight was to one characters advantage and that on a level playing field one character would achive victory.

Ignoring Facts we dont like is why there is still people who don't believe in Evolution and Global Warming. You can't just stick your head in the sand and pretend facts don't exist. That's not how intelligent people debate.

Also if you really want to know which character can win in a fight just e-mail marvel or DC and they will help. I did it when I wanted to prove my namesake could defeat the phoenix (Which I dont like any more then any of you) and they stated that on a level playing feild he would.

Use real facts and not opinion and not only does it make you a good debator but you will find less people questioning your findings.

Actually intelligent people understand that due to the constant findings of history, research, scientific fact over the past century, that the world is round, that our genetic trail seems to emerge from somewhere in Africa, and Global Warming exists, but for a mirade of reasons that cannot be easily resolved or pinpointed.

Actually the reason we don't use PIS, is because it has an exorbitant amount of impossibility to resolve. If you go outside the restraints of a character.. and say he can beat god. How do you know argue that your character can be beaten by anyone? Case in point classic vs current wolverine. Classic was supposed to be able to be killed by sufficient blood loss, or per days of futures past, a sufficiently strong blast. However Current has been taken to a skeleton and come back. which version do you use? PIS also can determine the relative power set of a character.

IE. Squirrel girl. Based upon her powerset, she shouldn't be able to hurt deadpool, much less thanos. However thanks to PIS, it has been allowed that Squirrel girl be unbeatable. Even taking out Dr. Doom.

Hence I refer to the National Parliamentary Debate Association webpage:
http://cas.bethel.edu/dept/comm/npda/npdarules.html

There are rules of conduct that even they adhere to. How you are allowed to respond and what material you are allowed to draw from.

Mind you I used to debate when I was in school, but that was over a decade ago. So notice yes, there are rules. Yes there are stated forums of how to respond. Yes again, where your material may arrive from. So where are you getting all of these statements from that say, you can say whatever you want, however you want. Cause you're wrong. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by rotiart
I like this thread. It feels like I'm talking to some charlatan thats trying to sell me some mystical elixir of hair growth... when its really fish oils and vinegar.

He's allowed his point... but obviously its not a commonly accepted one. So he can make his arguements...

IE. PIS... is similar to why we also do not allow Non-canon material.
Just cause Ultimate Hulk does something... doesn't mean 616 Hulk can do it.

We also have debates dependant upon which version of a character you pic. IE. PreRetcon Beyonder vs. Living Tribunal. IE if you were to use all versions... of beyonder,, and did not debate within the stated criteria.. you would probably use post retcon beyonder.. which would mean that beyonder would lost to LT... however if you stayed within the areas of the debate.. you'd see PR Beyonder would win.

:/

I understand you're new, but this isn't necessarily a very difficult concept.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Obviously not every debate club does function like that, BECAUSE THIS ONE DOESN'T! If you don't like it, go have one of those other debate clubs start debating comic book battles. What are you even doing here if the rules are THAT unacceptable by what you consider to be an actual debate.

I was in a debate group in school... and there were rules... where you got your material from, how you used it, how you responded....

I'm not sure where he's getting this idea that you can say anything you want... 😆

Originally posted by darthgoober
WAIT A SECOND! Are trying to get on MY case now?

I wasn't referring to YOU being new. 😮

There is no school debate nor any city wide debate club where you are not allowed to use facts related ot the topic.

LOL, I've explained ways to argue around what you call PIS without ignoring it. As I said earlier I think your just scared that your not good enouhg to debate if ALL the facts are allowed in not just the ones you dont like.

We don't get anywhere in life if we ignore facts, better to deal with them and not run away from facts we don't like.

If an event of what you call PIS comes up, simply debate how in that circustance one character had an unfair advatnge in the fight and then explain how on a level playing feild they wouldn't have that perticular advantage. This is how intellegent people reasonably debate.

If your just afriad that you can;t win in a fight where ALL facts are allowed then admit it.

Originally posted by thedude1948
No, for example Spider-Man vs Firelord. Spider-Man had probably 1/1000 chance of winning, and luckily for him he did win. That is realistic, in real life the better person does not always win and if it did in the comics it would be less realistic. On this board people say someone will win a fight 9/10 times if that 1 time they lost in a comic do you call that PIS?

Originally posted by rotiart
I wasn't referring to YOU being new. 😮

Originally posted by superbatman86
Except he should have 0% of winning.Firelord can take planet destroying blasts and Spidey's punches hurt him? 😘

Obviously there was some outside factor involved in that. Just find out what it was and argue around it.

LOL its like im teaching a class here on how to debate.

Originally posted by David_Richards
Obviously there was some outside factor involved in that. Just find out what it was and argue around it.

LOL its like im teaching a class here on how to debate.

Maybe, however in regards to your PIS comment and facts within debates if you cannot cite a credible source to back your facts there is nothing to counter.

PIS is essentially using an uncredible source for discussion.

Originally posted by Soleran
Maybe, however in regards to your PIS comment and facts within debates if you cannot cite a credible source to back your facts there is nothing to counter.

PIS is essentially using an uncredible source for discussion.

If it happens in a comic book which the comic book company holds as canon material then its fact, therefore perfectly credible.

Originally posted by David_Richards
If it happens in a comic book which the comic book company holds as canon material then its fact, therefore perfectly credible.

So everything that a writer writes is fact now, like if batman Throw a stone as hard as he could at earth and destroyed it, it would be fact huh?

See how that works.

Originally posted by David_Richards
There is no school debate nor any city wide debate club where you are not allowed to use facts related ot the topic.

LOL, I've explained ways to argue around what you call PIS without ignoring it. As I said earlier I think your just scared that your not good enouhg to debate if ALL the facts are allowed in not just the ones you dont like.

We don't get anywhere in life if we ignore facts, better to deal with them and not run away from facts we don't like.

If an event of what you call PIS comes up, simply debate how in that circustance one character had an unfair advatnge in the fight and then explain how on a level playing feild they wouldn't have that perticular advantage. This is how intellegent people reasonably debate.

If your just afriad that you can;t win in a fight where ALL facts are allowed then admit it.