Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
T-vo can prevent SS from being able to summon or use either one. Surfer isn't the only one with power pis anymore.
Please don't, it's not like Superman needed T-vo to have power PIS, he has had it in spades for a long time now.
SS has also dismissed Mephisto's Illusions and spells as well, Superman's T-vo isn't going to garner the wins here.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
T-vo can prevent SS from being able to summon or use either one. Surfer isn't the only one with power pis anymore.
This is what ive been trying to tell them, but they just dismiss T-vo as if its a card trick or as if SS has more resilliance to it then a higher skyfather/abstract level being does.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait when did this happen?! 🤨 Does it not affect him at all, or does it take longer, or does it just affect him to a lesser degree?
I doesn't effect him that much anymore. Case in point; Infinite Crisis #7, AND when Superman fought and beat Lex Luthor on a gigantic ship made of k-nite.
Originally posted by Inhuman
they will take him down, but if they dont SS sucks all his solar energy out and turns him to a statue or traps him in his board, ect. ect.
lol again don't act like that will work, because many have tried this against Supes and it doesn't work.
By that logic I can say as one once said, Supes will just heat vision off SS head.
Originally posted by Inhuman
they will take him down, but if they dont SS sucks all his solar energy out and turns him to a statue or traps him in his board, ect. ect.
Which holds about as much merit as if I were to say that Superman would heat vision his head off, or use T-Vo to screw with him. thumbsup
Isnt T-vo mostly illutionary attack and realty altering powers, unless you can show me a skyfather who Supes used t-vo on and has higher feat than the scanned below then i will agree T-vo well work on SS..
and here SS fight that attack
Now this girl can make any deams exist, any realities she wants, explore diff. realities... She killed everyone and then reborn them again..
Originally posted by Rols
Isnt T-vo mostly illutionary attack and realty altering powers, unless you can show me a skyfather who Supes used t-vo on and has higher feat than the scanned below then i will agree T-vo well work on SS..
and here SS fight that attack
Now this girl can make any deams exist, any realities she wants, explore diff. realities... She killed everyone and then reborn them again..
lol thats just it, supes HAS used T-VO on a Skyfather/ABSTRACT level being who was punking other skyfathers, I don't have the scans but maybe Avalon does or the Supes respect thread.
Originally posted by batdude123
Which holds about as much merit as if I were to say that Superman would heat vision his head off, or use T-Vo to screw with him. thumbsup
Im just stating that surfer has more legitimate ways to take out superman than the the other way around.
T-VO ? please. since its been introduced. It has been brought up in almost every superman fight. Like supes is in the same league as prof. X, cable, MM, Apocalypse, ect.
As far as I know it was shown once as a plot device. Plus I dont think it would be as effective as most think on surfer.
Originally posted by Jesse7
lol thats just it, supes HAS used T-VO on a Skyfather/ABSTRACT level being who was punking other skyfathers, I don't have the scans but maybe Avalon does or the Supes respect thread.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Im just stating that surfer has more legitimate ways to take out superman than the the other way around.
T-VO ? please. since its been introduced. It has been brought up in almost every superman fight. Like supes is in the same league as prof. X, cable, MM, Apocalypse, ect.
As far as I know it was shown once as a plot device. Plus I dont think it would be as effective as most think on surfer.
Yes, he would be in the same category as those guys. Going by the feats, he's definitely in their class. Btw, it was used more than once. It's been used a few times. thumbsup
