Originally posted by Soleran
Please don't, it's not like Superman needed T-vo to have power PIS, he has had it in spades for a long time now.SS has also dismissed Mephisto's Illusions and spells as well, Superman's T-vo isn't going to garner the wins here.
Illusions and T-vo aren't the same thing.
Mephisto is also small fries compared to Dominus.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Illusions and T-vo aren't the same thing.
Mephisto is also small fries compared to Dominus.
Dominus was a serious tool, seriously.
I used Mephisto to give an example not to trump, illustrating illusions have little affect on SS seeing as how he can perceive seconds into the future (power PIS, cosmic) still he can and does and T-vo would have little affect due to that alone.
Originally posted by Soleran
Dominus was a serious tool, seriously.I used Mephisto to give an example not to trump, illustrating illusions have little affect on SS seeing as how he can perceive seconds into the future (power PIS, cosmic) still he can and does and T-vo would have little affect due to that alone.
Time & reality manipulation were used by Dominus, T-vo was used to counter this by tapping and granting Supes the ability to manipulate the same things.
Despite your thoughts on Dominus (like powerful villains haven't lost before...let's be realistic here...) it's all about how it was done and how T-vo operates.
Surfer won't have full access to his powers to try and pull anything. Hence power pis is pis'ed.
Forgive me for being a n00b but what exactly is T-Vo ? I have TiVO in my living room but you youngins and your vernacular is confusing the heck out of me. Also, what is PIS?
A very confused first post.
BTW...JMNSHO: Superman wins. Supes takes the surfboard (I'm sorry but that is sooo lame) and beats the Surfer into submission with it. 😄
Just comic books fellas.
Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Forgive me for being a n00b but what exactly is T-Vo ? I have TiVO in my living room but you youngins and your vernacular is confusing the heck out of me. Also, what is PIS?A very confused first post.
BTW...JMNSHO: Superman wins. Supes takes the surfboard (I'm sorry but that is sooo lame) and beats the Surfer into submission with it. 😄
Just comic books fellas.
To put it simply, its a power Superman possess that allows him to defeat beings more powerful then him.
P.S. T-vo would utterly destroy SS, you can try to pull all the cosmic PIS you want out of SS but T-Vo is the anti-pis.
And its not illusionary, its real, and secondly Dominus FAR above Mephisto so don't compare the two.
Originally posted by Jesse7
To put it simply, its a power Superman possess that allows him to defeat beings more powerful then him.P.S. T-vo would utterly destroy SS, you can try to pull all the cosmic PIS you want out of SS but T-Vo is the anti-pis.
And its not illusionary, its real, and secondly Dominus FAR above Mephisto so don't compare the two.
You are just to funny, calling power cosmic PIS but T-vo the anti-pis (pis?)
By the way SS didn't use power cosmic to resist moondragon and such, just his immense personality.
PS- Dominus really sucks, stop acting like he is so awesome if Superman can use a "new" power to defeat someone who has had millions? of year with their skills.
Originally posted by Soleran
You are just to funny, calling power cosmic PIS but T-vo the anti-pis (pis?)By the way SS didn't use power cosmic to resist moondragon and such, just his immense personality.
PS- Dominus really sucks, stop acting like he is so awesome if Superman can use a "new" power to defeat someone who has had millions? of year with their skills.
Sounds like your just upset that Supes can defeat an skyfather/abstract level being who was punking other skyfathers, by merely using T-vo
SS resisting moon draging is one thing, but Moon dragon isn't an abstract level, well Dominus is and which by the way he was defeated by supes using T-Vo on him.
T-Vo would crush SS going by current feats of it.
Originally posted by Jesse7
To put it simply, its a power Superman possess that allows him to defeat beings more powerful then him.P.S. T-vo would utterly destroy SS, you can try to pull all the cosmic PIS you want out of SS but T-Vo is the anti-pis.
And its not illusionary, its real, and secondly Dominus FAR above Mephisto so don't compare the two.
To be honest, this is easily the worse defense of a power that i ever saw......Easily.
"To put it simply, its a power Superman possess that allows him to defeat beings more powerful then him."
Talk about stacked in his favor.........And yet the power cosmic is pis??
Avy, you don't need her to defend Supes. Cause she's really hurting his cause.
And moon dragon with the mindgem, is close to abstract level.
Originally posted by UniOmni
To be honest, this is easily the worse defense of a power that i ever saw......Easily."To put it simply, its a power Superman possess that allows him to defeat beings more powerful then him."
Talk about stacked in his favor.........And yet the power cosmic is pis??
Avy, you don't need her to defend Supes. Cause she's really hurting his cause.
And moon dragon with the mindgem, is close to abstract level.
I defend Supes, and other SS supporters always try to find a way to dismiss supes powers from in any way of being trully effective, yet when supes has a feat that has taken down a skyfather/abstract level being, you again try to dismiss it.
You and others have claimed many of supes feats as PIS, wrestling Asmodel as supes blue for one. You also try to dismiss Supes wrestling the millinial giants as nothing since in your opinion they are failures when in fact they are the DC equivilant of Marvels Celestials.
Supermans T-vo is a very powerful strength of his, one which can defeat beings far more powerful and or versatile then him, SS being the case here.
P.S. you can hate the millinial giants all you want but they are Dc's celestials, and Supes defeated them, so don't try to down play them in hopes of making Supes feat look less.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Sounds like your just upset that Supes can defeat an skyfather/abstract level being who was punking other skyfathers, by merely using T-voSS resisting moon draging is one thing, but Moon dragon isn't an abstract level, well Dominus is and which by the way he was defeated by supes using T-Vo on him.
T-Vo would crush SS going by current feats of it.
Actually we have a nifty little thing called PIS, one feat of Superman defeating someone of "Dominus" caliber (laughable) is just that one showing its not consistent and its really trash for this discussion🙂
I mean unless you really want to bust out SS high showings where he alters the genetics of an ENTIRE world at once etc etc, he would just turn Clark into a human genetically.
SS has hung with everyone in the universe and t-vo isn't going to stop him, he even went and defeated Thanos in the astral realm with no powers, ie willpower.
Unless you can show me some credible feats for dominus he's nothing but a notch in a wall with no value besides talk for your t-vo🙂
Originally posted by Soleran
Actually we have a nifty little thing called PIS, one feat of Superman defeating someone of "Dominus" caliber (laughable) is just that one showing its not consistent and its really trash for this discussion🙂I mean unless you really want to bust out SS high showings where he alters the genetics of an ENTIRE world at once etc etc, he would just turn Clark into a human genetically.
SS has hung with everyone in the universe and t-vo isn't going to stop him, he even went and defeated Thanos in the astral realm with no powers, ie willpower.
Unless you can show me some credible feats for dominus he's nothing but a notch in a wall with no value besides talk for your t-vo🙂
Again you want to go by high feats? And by the way read the forum rules because it says one time powers are allowed (which doesn't even matter in this case for superman because T-vo has been used multiple times). Secondly Supes high feats you always try to claim as PIS, your sounding alot like a superman hater, and thirdly supes high feats outclass SS high feats; as well as turning the wheels of Mag which supes did recently.
Wrestling Asmodel the archangel general of heaven? Thats far beyond Abstract, as abstracts dont even apply to angels of that ranking, secondly wrestling millinial giants (which regardless of how you hate it) they are DC's equivilant of Marvels Celestials, its not that they were weak or failures but that superman is powerful and limitless as stated countless times in his comic history.
P.S. you can claim PIS all you want but so can I, saying most of SS feats are PIS, PIS is a subjective term you need to learn that.
T-Vo has shown it can take down abstract level beings, and claiming moondragon with the mind gem is an abstract? Now that is laughable.
Sometimes I understand comprehension comes slowly lets try this again.
Again you want to go by high feats?
I'm not basing my win on high end feats, you are by constantly comparing T-vo and Dominus, not me.
And by the way read the forum rules because it says one time powers are allowed (which doesn't even matter in this case for superman because T-vo has been used multiple times).
Of course they are and I didn't say otherwise, please show me where I said that.
Secondly Supes high feats you always try to claim as PIS, your sounding alot like a superman hater, and thirdly supes high feats outclass SS high feats; as well as turning the wheels of Mag which supes did recently.
I don't try and claim PIS on all superman feats, you just post some silly feats that are limited and don't show his average appearances, they typically show Superman struggling with some new power or level of ability he just found not something I do with SS.
Wrestling Asmodel the archangel general of heaven? Thats far beyond Abstract, as abstracts dont even apply to angels of that ranking,
The Angel flat out said he wasn't trying, he could have killed Superman in a second but Superman was so noble he didn't want to end his life, you want to use that as a valuable source, really, think about it.
P.S. you can claim PIS all you want but so can I, saying most of SS feats are PIS, PIS is a subjective term you need to learn that.
Oh believe me I realize this as I have watched you debate and how you handle responses to your others. I can say PIS to Dominus showing and if you don't like it thats fine. I then said to diminish my doubts show me some significant showings of Dominus to establish him as a powerhouse. It's like when Galactus falls to FF4 it has to be explained because he is so far above them etc etc Dominus is the classic PIS rule for this forum.
T-Vo has shown it can take down abstract level beings, and claiming moondragon with the mind gem is an abstract? Now that is laughable.
Wait are you just a SS hater, I mean does it get boring wearing Superman underoo's all the time, seriously you have a Superman bug like none other.
Originally posted by Soleran
Oh believe me I realize this as I have watched you debate and how you handle responses to your others. I can say PIS to Dominus showing and if you don't like it thats fine. I then said to diminish my doubts show me some significant showings of Dominus to establish him as a powerhouse. It's like when Galactus falls to FF4 it has to be explained because he is so far above them etc etc Dominus is the classic PIS rule for this forum.
Dominus does have feats, hold ill try to get scans, he has punked other skyfathers, and high level beings, so its not the galactus case here.
So your claim that Dominus is the classic PIS rule is void.
P.S. you want to go by regular showings for each character? Then SS has never speed blitzed any opponent in combat in his entire comic history, SS is pummeled and KO'ed by people far less stronger then SS such as Thanos, Thor, etc.
You seem to dismiss Supes high end showings as PIS since they are not his usual showings, but dismiss all of SS high end showings and lets just count his average showings which more then half the time hes getting tossed around in combat like a ragdoll.
Need examples? Allow me to help, being brought to his knees by a thunderbolt from Storm, being nearly killed by a knife, being ko'ed by kicks and punches from Thanos multiple times, being knocked off his board countless times, has no resistance to mystical based attacks what so ever (this was shown when Nephari or was it dracula, the one vampire) completely punked SS in combat, being manhandled by Thor when all Thor used was melee combat on SS and SS had the use of his so called blitze speed and power cosmic yet he was still ko'ed, the list goes on and on.
Yes he does and thats exactly why Superman can get some wins from SS, however SS doesn't rely on that and his use of energy manipulation is so great Superman will get smooshed more often then not.
T-Vo isn't illusionary?
Well yeah thats the point it is, someone just doesn't get t-vo and is fumbling around with comprehending it and "attempting" to use it effectively especially they way they are defending themselves by saying Superman can use it and what it does,