Originally posted by Galan007
Imo, AM has the better feats. But that's about as far as I wish to argue my point of view.
But we don't discern between high and low Multiversal. We usually go with Universal, Multiversal and Omniversal.
Regardless of who's stronger, nobody is at fault when referring to either of them as Multiversal.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The IG has no multiversal feats. Stopping the UN from shooting a single target does not make it multiversal. Nor does one declaration from Thanos with no proof.
It's more the matter of "The DC narrator is right, but the Marvel narrator is wrong" Correct?
Not the fact that eternity contains various universes? And was soundly beaten by the IG?
Re: Thanos /w/ IG v.s. Anti-Monitor
Originally posted by invisiblewomanit ends with thanos tea bagging anti-monitor.
ok, im not sure if this has been done, but we all know that thanos /w/ the IG became virtually god of the universe......... but anti-monitor along with many other cosmic powers has the power to absorb entire universes......... who wins?
Originally posted by Kris BlazeIt's more the matter of "The DC narrator is right, but the Marvel narrator is wrong" Correct?
Not the fact that eternity contains ALL universes?
And was soundly beaten by the IG?
Precisely, but then again, why are people making a big deal about 616 Eternity?
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"
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Eternity is Time incarnated ...
When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"
*** oh shit ***
The Supreme ruling being of the Marvel Universe is Eternity/Infinity:
"Eternity ... before the IG ... you were the Lord of all that is"
"Now their existence challenges that lofty state"
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Thanos/IG not only stomped Eternity in one move:
Thanos also effortlessly replaced "the Lord of all that is" ...
... Doesn't matter what Thanos did, let's just continue to overlook this,
and stick to this ignorant understanding of Eternity being a singular Universal power. LOL!
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Goober: *clap clap* STFU. *clap clap* 5 universes remained at the end, and they combined to become the post crisis DCU.
So all but 5 huh... that means he never actually destroyed or affected the entire Multiverse under his own power right? How does he qualify as multiversal again(let alone beyond it as many claim)?
Originally posted by darthgoober
So all but 5 huh... that means he never actually destroyed or affected the entire Multiverse under his own power right? How does he qualify as multiversal again(let alone beyond it as many claim)?
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Last I checked he fought with a amped spectre and that destroyed the rest of the multiverse along with restarting it.
The Spectre that AM fought wasn't the same as he is today because his boss was the Word rather than the Presence itself. What's more, AM spent most of his own power reaching the dawn of time and absorbed the power of the remaining heroes before his scuffle with Spectre. I doubt he would have been able to survive the blast without the energies of those heroes since he needed their energy just to complete the next phase of his plan.
And according to Hal Jorden as Parallax(who reached the dawn of time WITHOUT expending most of his energy I believe), restarting the multiverse is EASY from the dawn of time, all you need is the proper knowledge to pull off the feat.
AM wasn't doing the same thing as Parallax. He wasn't just going to the dawn. He was going to BEFORE IT. He was going to be the hand at the beginning of the multiverse. To ensure that only the Anti-Matter universe alone existed. To negate everything and remake it in his image.
Jordan was crushing timelines, and trying to rewrite the universe, but he never tried to make himself the Supreme being, or do what AM did. Krona's vision predates the beginning of the original DCU.
We proved you wrong on the tech thing before. Stop BSing.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
AM wasn't doing the same thing as Parallax. He wasn't just going to the dawn. He was going to BEFORE IT. He was going to be the hand at the beginning of the multiverse. To ensure that only the Anti-Matter universe alone existed. To negate everything and remake it in his image.Jordan was crushing timelines, and trying to rewrite the universe, but he never tried to make himself the Supreme being, or do what AM did. Krona's vision predates the beginning of the original DCU.
We proved you wrong on the tech thing before. Stop BSing.
I didn't say that Jorden was doing the same thing, I just said according to him restarting the multiverse from the Dawn of Time was easy if one had the proper knowledge. Maybe Jorden didn't WANT the same same thing, you ever think of that?
No you didn't. I pointed out that this scan attributes the Antimatter Wave that destroyed most of the DC multiverse to AM's machines...
and you said...
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm gonna ignore this. AM stated on-panel that it was he and he alone who destroyed the positive matter universes. And anything you bring up to the contrary is BS.
But unfortunately for you choosing to ignore evidence and labelling it as BS before it's even presented in no way proves me wrong.
"You have a scan stating before the dawn, because I'm pretty sure I remember it being described as the dawn of time in COIE."
Read up on DC cosmology. The multiverse itself was born when Krona's vision occured. The entire DCU itself was re-ordered due to this event. As such, the big bang reoccured. So you see, he had to go before the dawn of time.
Which Hal could not do due to not knowing about the crisis or Krona.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"You have a scan stating before the dawn, because I'm pretty sure I remember it being described as the dawn of time in COIE."Read up on DC cosmology. The multiverse itself was born when Krona's vision occured. The entire DCU itself was re-ordered due to this event. As such, the big bang reoccured. So you see, he had to go before the dawn of time.
Which Hal could not do due to not knowing about the crisis or Krona.
You still refusing to address the scan huh...
Again do you have a scan stating it was before the dawn of time? Because this scan labels it as the Dawn of Creation, which sounds a lot like another way of saying the Dawn of Time to me...
And if that's not enough, I'm about to get COIE again so I check for a more specific labeling of it.
As for Hal Jorden, I thought the GL Corps was unaffected by COIE and were a big part of the stuff going on so why WOULDN'T he know about it? And who says he had to learn about it from AM anyway? Not everybody that knows about the Infinity Gems learned about them from Thanos...
In Coie, AM caused the destruction of many different alterante universes. If we tranfer this to the Marvel omniverse/multiverse, then he would have destroyed many different versions of Thanos/w the IG. Pre-crisis DC had many different characters that had that crazy level of power that the IG had, and if you multiply that by a near infinite # of universes. then AM wins this hands down. He beat the PC Spectre amped by all the crazy PC DC magic users. That alone tells you he could take out Thanos.
Originally posted by tsscls...what?
In Coie, AM caused the destruction of many different alterante universes. If we tranfer this to the Marvel omniverse/multiverse, then he would have destroyed many different versions of Thanos/w the IG. Pre-crisis DC had many different characters that had that crazy level of power that the IG had, and if you multiply that by a near infinite # of universes. then AM wins this hands down. He beat the PC Spectre amped by all the crazy PC DC magic users. That alone tells you he could take out Thanos.
Originally posted by tsscls
In Coie, AM caused the destruction of many different alterante universes. If we tranfer this to the Marvel omniverse/multiverse, then he would have destroyed many different versions of Thanos/w the IG.
Originally posted by Galan007
Anyhow, I was clearly agreeing with you fyi. biscuits
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆But still Eny, don't you get it?
Only when a DC uber character with NO feats at all makes a claim,
are claims of any value.
Originally posted by darthgooberYet the only thing(s) we ever saw emit from AM's tech, were his Shadow Demons. Nothing else. There are several instances in which anti-matter is already devouring a given universe, but when a panel with AM's tech is shown, there is nothing coming from it (aside from his minions.) *shrug*
No you didn't. I pointed out that this scan attributes the Antimatter Wave that destroyed most of the DC multiverse to AM's machines...
Regardless, more recent evidence shows us that even a FAR weaker AM is capable of easily creating an anti-matter wave completely on his own.
Originally posted by EnyalusAM still possessed the power of all those universes.
No kidding. What AM did is definitely impressive, but not enough to beat an IG wielder. If AM had killed an infinite amount of universes at the same time...basically affecting the whole DC omniverse at once, then, yeah, I'd give him consideration for the win.
And if Thanos replaced Eternity, what's stopping AM from just strolling up and snatching the gauntlet like Nebula did? srsly
