Originally posted by blue_beastum... yoinks. taz
what you are doing here is straight up lying, ignoring facts and twisting them to your liking, Kurse is immune to physical harm its a fact you cant harm him physically, he has a vulnerability to iron and thats why thor was able to even do something and yet it still wasnt enough because kurse just crushed him every time, therefor vulnerability to iron doesnt mean he is weaker when hit by iron it just means it can hurt him.how is iron relevant in this fight? unless Hulk starts the fight with an iron Pipe in his hand i dont see the point
why should hulk be able to hurt him physically when he is immune to physical harm? are you trying to not make sense on purpose? 😐
actually he can and will put hulk down he is x4 stronger than thor its more then enought to just break hulks neck FTW or beat the living hell out of him which is based on the showings of averege Thor dealing physically with Hulk.
oh again with this he will just increase his strength during the fight ? show me on pannel feats of hulk during a fight becoming stronger and overpower his opponent just like that? if that was the case hulk wouldnt go hours for hours fighting Thor or wendigo for so long he would just get madder and overpower them right? so why is he stalemating Thor after so many hours of fighting even with the fact they were also equels at the beginning? why didnt his strength increased? why didnt he overpower him?
all this mute because Hulk is just a physical brick who goes up against someone who is immune to physical harm, the guy who opened this thread is a geneious because this thread is once again another proof that Hulk fanboys dont know comics and will blindly say "Hulk Winz" without even putting a minimal thinking into it
Originally posted by blue_beast
what you are doing here is straight up lying, ignoring facts and twisting them to your liking, Kurse is immune to physical harm its a fact you cant harm him physically, he has a vulnerability to iron and thats why thor was able to even do something and yet it still wasnt enough because kurse just crushed him every time, therefor vulnerability to iron doesnt mean he is weaker when hit by iron it just means it can hurt him.how is iron relevant in this fight? unless Hulk starts the fight with an iron Pipe in his hand i dont see the point
why should hulk be able to hurt him physically when he is immune to physical harm? are you trying to not make sense on purpose? 😐
actually he can and will put hulk down he is x4 stronger than thor its more then enought to just break hulks neck FTW or beat the living hell out of him which is based on the showings of averege Thor dealing physically with Hulk.
oh again with this he will just increase his strength during the fight ? show me on pannel feats of hulk during a fight becoming stronger and overpower his opponent just like that? if that was the case hulk wouldnt go hours for hours fighting Thor or wendigo for so long he would just get madder and overpower them right? so why is he stalemating Thor after so many hours of fighting even with the fact they were also equels at the beginning? why didnt his strength increased? why didnt he overpower him?
all this mute because Hulk is just a physical brick who goes up against someone who is immune to physical harm, the guy who opened this thread is a geneious because this thread is once again another proof that Hulk fanboys dont know comics and will blindly say "Hulk Winz" without even putting a minimal thinking into it
Writers simply chose to ignore the Hulk's power set. This is a forum battle. Your argument ignores the Hulk's powers, and places it in the PIS category. Thor should have only been able to match the Hulk's strength increase to a certain amount of time (you should know this). We recently saw how the Hulk actually does increase in power. Do you want to ignore that as well?
The real question should not be whether I am trying to not make sense, the question is why are you attempting to ignore a characters power profile?
If Kurse was unable to be hurt, how was he rendered unconscious? Energizer, a member of Power Pack, absorbed energy from both Thor's and Beta Ray Bill's enchanted hammers and then fired a tremendously powerful ball of energy at Kurse, which rendered him unconscious <--- Does this in any way resemble not being able to be hurt?
Comics are filled with PIS and CIS, but in a forum match does this mean that we should ignore the characters power set because the writers decided to ignore them for the purpose of plot? No. Trust me I see your point, but consider the Hulk's power set, and the fact that nothing was capable of putting him down in his mindless state. Has the Hulk ever shifted the odds in his favor when other characters had him clearly beat? You would be right about Kurse beating the hell out of the Hulk, and that beating going unanswered, if he were the Rhino, or some other character who does not increase in power, but it's not.
You can only say that Kurse wins this by a margin of 50%, but encroaching on any more than this is just you ignoring the Hulk's powers, and ability to heal, and grow stronger as the battle rages. Mindless Hulk did not have the restraint that the Hulk had when Banner was on board, he would not hold back.
No matter how strong Kurse is, the Hulk can and would become stronger. Marvel as you seem so hinged on quoting says that the Hulk is the strongest one there is. They never said that Kurse was the strongest one there is. Double standards can be a slippery slope at times.
Originally posted by StoicSo wait youre comparing ALL the energy from both Thor and Bills hammers combined to a Punch not energy a attack from Hulk
Writers simply chose to ignore the Hulk's power set. This is a forum battle. Your argument ignores the Hulk's powers, and places it in the PIS category. Thor should have only been able to match the Hulk's strength increase to a certain amount of time (you should know this). We recently saw how the Hulk actually does increase in power. Do you want to ignore that as well?The real question should not be whether I am trying to not make sense, the question is why are you attempting to ignore a characters power profile?
If Kurse was unable to be hurt, how was he rendered unconscious? [b]Energizer, a member of Power Pack, absorbed energy from both Thor's and Beta Ray Bill's enchanted hammers and then fired a tremendously powerful ball of energy at Kurse, which rendered him unconscious
<--- Does this in any way resemble not being able to be hurt?Comics are filled with PIS and CIS, but in a forum match does this mean that we should ignore the characters power set because the writers decided to ignore them for the purpose of plot? No. Trust me I see your point, but consider the Hulk's power set, and the fact that nothing was capable of putting him down in his mindless state. Has the Hulk ever shifted the odds in his favor when other characters had him clearly beat? You would be right about Kurse beating the hell out of the Hulk, and that beating going unanswered, if he were the Rhino, or some other character who does not increase in power, but it's not.
You can only say that Kurse wins this by a margin of 50%, but encroaching on any more than this is just you ignoring the Hulk's powers, and ability to heal, and grow stronger as the battle rages. Mindless Hulk did not have the restraint that the Hulk had when Banner was on board, he would not hold back.
No matter how strong Kurse is, the Hulk can and would become stronger. Marvel as you seem so hinged on quoting says that the Hulk is the strongest one there is. They never said that Kurse was the strongest one there is. Double standards can be a slippery slope at times. [/B]
Originally posted by Nihilist
So wait youre comparing ALL the energy from both Thor and Bills hammers combined to a Punch not energy a attack from Hulk
The Hulk's punches are energy. Kinetic energy, but energy all the same. His ability to punch through dimensional barriers, is as quantifiable as the energy burst that put Valgoth Algrim down. So yes I am comparing a punch to it.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk's punches are energy. Kinetic energy, but energy all the same. His ability to punch through dimensional barriers, is as quantifiable as the energy burst that put Valgoth Algrim down. So yes I am comparing a punch to it.
So a punch from Mindless Hulk is equal to the power of Mjolnir + Stormbreaker being forcibly discharged?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So a punch from Mindless Hulk is equal to the power of Mjolnir + Stormbreaker being forcibly discharged?
Why the heck not? Is there a limit to how hard the Hulk can punch? Has there ever been a limit to how hard he can punch? Has he ever reached a point that he can no longer continue ramping up in terms of strength? The same Beyonder that gave Algrim his extra power said that the Hulk was an infinite power. Algrim wasn't given infinite power, just a very strong power base. To be honest, if Kurse has the ability to put the Midless Hulk down right away would be his only means of winning, but the longer a battle between these two lasted, the more obvious that it would be that the Hulk would be the dominant combatant. Did you read HOTM? If so why would you question whether or not the Hulk lacked the power to affect Algrim?
Originally posted by Stoic
Why the heck not? Is there a limit to how hard the Hulk can punch? Has there ever been a limit to how hard he can punch? Has he ever reached a point that he can no longer continue ramping up in terms of strength? The same Beyonder that gave Algrim his extra power said that the Hulk was an infinite power. Algrim wasn't given infinite power, just a very strong power base. To be honest, if Kurse has the ability to put the Midless Hulk down right away would be his only means of winning, but the longer a battle between these two lasted, the more obvious that it would be that the Hulk would be the dominant combatant. Did you read HOTM? If so why would you question whether or not the Hulk lacked the power to affect Algrim?
You are aware that two hammers clashing together was powerful enough to effect every plane of reality, right? Hell, Mjolnir + Thunderstrike + Future! Mjolnir + Stormbreaker have the collective power to effect the entire multiverse.
So, no, I don't think Mindless Hulk has ever displayed anything close to that level of power.
Can he hurt Kurse? Sure, he probably would eventually. But it's more likely that Kurse beats the crap out of him considering how they both fare against Thor, a common foe.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You are aware that two hammers clashing together was powerful enough to effect every plane of reality, right? Hell, Mjolnir + Thunderstrike + Future! Mjolnir + Stormbreaker have the collective power to effect the entire multiverse.So, no, I don't think Mindless Hulk has ever displayed anything close to that level of power.
Can he hurt Kurse? Sure, he probably would eventually. But it's more likely that Kurse beats the crap out of him considering how they both fare against Thor, a common foe.
I'll go half way with you, because I can accept that certain characters can beat others. If Kurse takes him out within the first 5 minutes, then he wins, but anything beyond that makes him winning highly unlikely. It was the Mindless hulk persona that flattened Onslaught, and Onslaught was written to be a Juggernaut buster. You can't ignore one thing, and give credit to another. The Hulk broke into a magical dimensional barrier, that was said to be inpenetrable. Is Kurse tougher than the stuff that binds dimensions? I'm trying to look at the entire picture, and the Hulk is simply one of those characters like Superman, He-Man, Lobo, and Thor in that when the plot demands, they rise to the occasion. Kurse isn't, he's just a very strong character, with a cap on his strength, and durability.
Originally posted by Don Corleone
Kurse would IMO. I just see him at a league above guy's like Hulk, Thor, Bill. Not saying he cant be beat , but it would take more than just 1 of those guy's mentioned.
not in a physical scrimmage. Kurse is as brick like as they come, and he would be entering the Hulk's domain. You have to ask yourself if you believe that the Hulk could overcome Kurse's level of strength. Thor in Warrior's Madness can surpass it, as he would achieve x10 base, whereas Kurse is only at x4.
So if the Hulk surpasses even Thor at x10 how well would Kurse do against a force that was far greater than his own? I proved that Kurse is not truly invulnerable, and iron is not the only thing that can hurt him. just remember one thing, Mindless hulk does not hold back, and outside of plot this means that he would enter WB mode.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
hulk has literally made him self 2 times stronger by getting twice as mad and stomped an abomination who was amped to twice hulks strength.hulk wins here
Yep, and it didn't take him more than 5 minutes to do it. Mindless Hulk is something completely different, and ramps up very quickly. I'm just having my doubts that Kurse would be able to put him down before he got completely out of hand.