Originally posted by StoicSkin cancer, god youre so such a retard at times.
Well actually it showed the outer limits of what Kurse could take in terms of physical abuse, and it was less than the yield that the Mindless Hulk was capable of. Just remember that it was stated in this thread that Kurse was unable to be hurt physically, and energy has physical effects. Just go and ask all of the people dying of skin cancer. I'm sure that you can figure it out, Kurse is not immune to damage.Hulk wins.
EP attacks are not the same as physical attacks,fact.
Hulk cant put kurse dowm.
Originally posted by carver9
It's not the gem I am talking about...its the fact that Onslaught overpowered Jugs twice "with ease" and pierced his hide with just a mere touch.
he did not pierce his hide with physical strength carver. Go reread onslaught saga...he was a being of psionic energy who magaged to negate cytorraks enchantment and pluck the gem from his chest (using psionics and reality warping)...WHICH should be discarded since we know the gem was in space at the time AND the end result was pis
Originally posted by Sin I AM
he did not pierce his hide with physical strength carver. Go reread onslaught saga...he was a being of psionic energy who magaged to negate cytorraks enchantment and pluck the gem from his chest (using psionics and reality warping)...WHICH should be discarded since we know the gem was in space at the time AND the end result was pis
He didn't have reality warping powers when he fought Jugs...he only had Xavier and Magneto powers. I read the story. Onslaught pierced him and he did it easily at that.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Skin cancer, god youre so such a retard at times.EP attacks are not the same as physical attacks,fact.
Hulk cant put kurse dowm.
Actually energy is physical. This is a fact.
Question: My position is that nothing "nonphysical" (ie, supernatural, immaterial) can exist in our universe. How can I clearly explain to high school students that "waves" (as in a photon can be both a particle and a wave) and "energy" are not "nonphysical" things, but are physical things (that obey the laws of physics, like all other physical things that exist in our world). Thanks for helping.
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Since I do not agree with the proposition, I do not know of reasons to support it. The meanings of the words "nothing", "nonphysical", "can", "exist", "our", and "universe" are rather ambiguous, and of course change with time. Your statement could be justifiable if and only if we assume that one has a priori and complete knowledge of known, unknowns, knowables, and unknowables of and for all times.
How could we be aware of existence or lack of existence of non-physicals if we, as physical being, are limited to physical probes and means to sense effects and establish existence?
With regards to waves, energy, and the like, these are words used to denote observable physical phenomena or concepts that convey the effects, implications, or consequences of physical phenomena. These are or ought to be observable directly or indirectly (through their effect) by way of physical examination.
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Ali Khounsary, Ph.D.
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Argonne National Laboratory
Hi, Richard !!!
You propose that "nothing nonphysical can exist in our universe", like - for instance - supernatural or immaterial. And you wish to explain that "waves" and "energy" are nonphysical things but obey laws of physics like all other physical things, so that they belong to the physical world..
Well, first of all, you know that theories are created aiming to explain a given existing phenomenon. The phenomenon "light" can be explained like particles that travel in linear course, but shows interference properties, which proves that are waves ( only waves behave like this ).
To explain the atom, the scientists developed several models : Thomson, Rutherford, Bohr, Orbital Model (probability of finding electrons) and now the Quarks theory.
Einstein said : E=mc2 so that matter is a "concentrated form of energy". The gravity can attract light and make it bend. Is gravity a physical or non-physical phenomenon ?? Gravity exists, for sure !! But nobody knows exactly what gravity is. Do we live in a universe where the gravity is "positive" and is there another part of the universe where the gravity is "negative" ?? Is there gravity waves ??
Alcir Grohmann
Originally posted by carver9
He didn't have reality warping powers when he fought Jugs...he only had Xavier and Magneto powers. I read the story. Onslaught pierced him and he did it easily at that.
are u sure? iirc he did, neertheless onslaught was still a purely psionic being taking physical form, my argument still stands that it was psionics not physical might that allowed him to pierce his chest
Originally posted by carver9
Why concede when you are wrong? YOU need to concede.
wrong about what? Onslaught was a psionic entity, the only plausible explanation for him being able to "materialize" a gem of cytorrak and pul it from his chest when the damn thing was in space, i really dont understand y u dont see it
Originally posted by Sin I AM
wrong about what? Onslaught was a psionic entity, the only plausible explanation for him being able to "materialize" a gem of cytorrak and pul it from his chest when the damn thing was in space, i really dont understand y u dont see it
do you really need to ask that question, carver is so up Hulk colon he know what he had for breakfast, lunch and dinner!
Originally posted by Sin I AM
wrong about what? Onslaught was a psionic entity, the only plausible explanation for him being able to "materialize" a gem of cytorrak and pul it from his chest when the damn thing was in space, i really dont understand y u dont see it
My argument isnt about the gem...my argument is about "how easily a weakened Onslaught handle Marko".
Originally posted by carver9
My argument isnt about the gem...my argument is about "how easily a weakened Onslaught handle Marko".
and my argument is about the plausibility of the entire event
couple questions when was it shown Onslaught was "weakened", an when was that gem placed in his cains chest? ...and where on panel is it shown him "handling" cain physically..
Originally posted by Sin I AM
and my argument is about the plausibility of the entire eventcouple questions when was it shown Onslaught was "weakened", an when was that gem placed in his cains chest? ...and where on panel is it shown him "handling" cain physically..
The first fight happened off panel but it was stated that Onslaught punched Cain from Texas to New York. The second fight, Cain was pissing in his pants because Onslaught was chasing him, trying to kill him. He then encounter Gambit and ask him for help and Gambit declined...he then ran into Phoenix and she sense fear all over Cain. Cain told her about Onslaught but Onslaught started messing with him mentally which resulted in him running upstairs. He then runs into Onslaught who palmed him with one hand. Juggernaut scared shittless, trying to break free from Onslaught ONE HAND fails which result in Onslaught using the tip of his finger, digging in Juggernauts chest pulling the gem out.
I don't know when the gem returned but the gem ALWAYS returns because its a part of Cain Marko. It doesnt matter though because the gem isn't the ft that I am giving Onslaught, its him manhandling Juggernaut and easily piercing his hide with just a press of his finger.
Originally posted by carver9
The first fight happened off panel but it was stated that Onslaught punched Cain from Texas to New York. The second fight, Cain was pissing in his pants because Onslaught was chasing him, trying to kill him. He then encounter Gambit and ask him for help and Gambit declined...he then ran into Phoenix and she sense fear all over Cain. Cain told her about Onslaught but Onslaught started messing with him mentally which resulted in him running upstairs. He then runs into Onslaught who palmed him with one hand. Juggernaut scared shittless, trying to break free from Onslaught ONE HAND fails which result in Onslaught using the tip of his finger, digging in Juggernauts chest pulling the gem out.I don't know when the gem returned but the gem ALWAYS returns because its a part of Cain Marko. It doesnt matter though because the gem isn't the ft that I am giving Onslaught, its him manhandling Juggernaut and easily piercing his hide with just a press of his finger.
This did happen, it was stupid, but it happened all the same and is Marvel canon. I'm sure the writers have a perfect explanation for much of the stuff that did not make sense.