Lucifer Morningstar v.s. The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
This gonna cause some serious injuries. Have a Firstaid-kit prepered.

Originally posted by galan7777777
but even he admitted that it would be a good battle, lucifer may not have as many on pannel feats, but the ones he does have are nothing to shrug your shoulders at lol

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yes I know he did, but still this will be funny.
*Grabing a bag of chips and a fanta... and now wait....

bump

Originally posted by galan7777777
your point is well taken, and in fact in one of the lucifer comics (forgive me for not knowing exactly which one, im not at home) lucifer is talking to michael about their father yahweh, and lucifer says "our father gave us each his power" so perspectivley they each have the same amount of power, but lucifer has been stated to be more powerful then michael, as lucifer once said "what good is omnipotence without WILL?" and in the end that you are refering to it is speculated that michael went with god, but him doing this obviously makes his will far less then lucifer's, for lucifer has the will to turn his back on yahweh and rebel against his wishes..... if michael possessed the same will as lucifer he would have chosen his own path as lucifer did....... it was this reason that michael started to speculate gods word, because yahweh chose lucifer to be his successor in heaven when he departed, because lucifer has what no other angels of the order have (a will completely of his own, a will to go against even yahweh, something that even michael could not do)

I see it that Michael had the same greatness of Will that Lucifer had, but both were given different perspectives of it, it is true Lucifer chose to not become "one" with god, but in doing so he also feared some thing, he feared losing himself.

While Michael on the other hand didn't desire what lucifer desired, they both had different desires, but they both had that great will to seek and obtain that which they desired, unlike lucifer Michael sought to be with and, to please god, and he did obtain this in the end I think.

So to say Lucifers will is greater is also speculation as they each are equal in a way, they both just have different perspectives of the same gift, both with different desires and different outcomes.

Originally posted by Jesse7
I see it that Michael had the same greatness of Will that Lucifer had, but both were given different perspectives of it, it is true Lucifer chose to not become "one" with god, but in doing so he also feared some thing, he feared losing himself.

While Michael on the other hand didn't desire what lucifer desired, they both had different desires, but they both had that great will to seek and obtain that which they desired, unlike lucifer Michael sought to be with and, to please god, and he did obtain this in the end I think.

So to say Lucifers will is greater is also speculation as they each are equal in a way, they both just have different perspectives of the same gift, both with different desires and different outcomes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good.

bump

Originally posted by galan7777777
and another feat i completely forgot to mention to you is that lucifer made his universe, and all in it while in a weakend state....... you see some feathers on his wings were cursed by the mistress of death, and even though he didnt know this untill much later, it made him far weaker then he normally is..... but he was still able to effortlessly create a universe

Why are you responding to that, that wasn't directed at you.

I thought Death was afraid of him.

and your not biased? at least i dont make stuff up to win my vote, where where these supposid LT scans before, all you showed is sufer becomming one with everything does that now mean he's eternity maybe maybe not, you dont have no proof that he was, and LT did say he might not be able to take the IG, oh and he was once almost defeated by a being who can copy powers it took the judge celestial to defeat him not the great LT.

So you think that the IG, or wait we push it up a litte... Infinity Being were a match for the Tribunal?
Why did you think Eternity went to LT to complain about the IG?

Originally posted by Mider999
and your not biased? at least i dont make stuff up to win my vote,

Make stuff up? what

Yo got nerve child when I've caught you plenty of times talking out your ass.

I'm not going to pull your cards right now...stick to the topic or risk being embarrassed.

Originally posted by Mider999
all you showed is sufer becomming one with everything does that now mean he's eternity maybe maybe not, you dont have no proof that he was,

You wanna play retarded, that's on you.

You think Surfer was just "One with everything"

Captain Marvel is ONE with EVERYTHING.

But darn it, Captain Marvel looked NOTHING like this when he became ONE with the Universe:

So WHAT the Heck is this?

This is Captain Marvel becoming ONE with the Universe.


"For ALL things in the UNIVERSE are now ONE with YOU"

Originally posted by Mider999
and LT did say he might not be able to take the IG,

Continue being delusional, what do I care.

Here LT DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT, he EVIDENTLY knew he did.

Warlock let's LT know just HOW Powerful he is.

After Warlock's "warning" of how powerful he was, LT STILL rules against him.

Here LT acknowledges that it would take destroying this UNIVERSE in order to take the Gauntlet from Warlock, he's not hesitating, he simply rather not have to obliterate a Reality (a Universe) to strip Adam of the IG.

They BOTH knew the outcome before it started.

Run along now my boy.

Originally posted by Mider999
oh and he was once almost defeated by a being who can copy powers it took the judge celestial to defeat him not the great LT.

😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why are you responding to that, that wasn't directed at you.

I thought Death was afraid of him.

Mr Master...That series of scans doesn't conclusively put IG above LT or vise versa. His judgement was not based in confrontation, but the very idea that the confrontation needn't take place. And both knew this would be the outcome.

Originally posted by Juntai
Mr Master...That series of scans doesn't conclusively put IG above LT or vise versa.

The issue (Warlock & the Infinity Watch#1) conclusively puts LT above the IG.

I Always saw it that way since the first time I bought the comic, it's obvious.

The Official Marvel Handbook of this year, also clearly agrees that LT is more powerful than the IG.

Here's the specific sentence

I hate Bios, of any sort, from any source.

But if the on panel evidence isn't enough, perhaps Marvel's take on it will be.

Originally posted by Juntai
And both knew this would be the outcome.

That Warlock would submit?

yes.

Originally posted by Juntai
His judgement was not based in confrontation, but the very idea that the confrontation needn't take place.

That's not what I based it on.

Before the Warlock bit.

LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together" this isn't control over the IG?

Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function.

Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG, only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling.

Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints

A single phrase uttered by LT actually POWERS UP the Infinity Gauntlet.

The result in an instant

Originally posted by Mr Master
The issue (Warlock & the Infinity Watch#1) conclusively puts LT above the IG.

I Always saw it that way since the first time I bought the comic, it's obvious.

The Official Marvel Handbook of this year, also clearly agrees that LT is more powerful than the IG.

Here's the specific sentence

I hate Bios, of any sort, from any source.

But if the on panel evidence isn't enough, perhaps Marvel's take on it will be.

That Warlock would submit?

yes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The issue (Warlock & the Infinity Watch#1) conclusively puts LT above the IG.

I Always saw it that way since the first time I bought the comic, it's obvious.

The Official Marvel Handbook of this year, also clearly agrees that LT is more powerful than the IG.

Here's the specific sentence

I hate Bios, of any sort, from any source.

But if the on panel evidence isn't enough, perhaps Marvel's take on it will be.

That Warlock would submit?

yes.

Originally posted by galan7777777
was it truly LT's power that surpassed the gems? or was it his judgement that surpassed the gem's power?..... im just curious