Lucifer Morningstar v.s. The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice feats.

LT can do ALL of that without getting up from his chair.

😉 ...hmm, I'll believe you but I don't know, that doesn't sound right

"(michael whom equals "gods power"😉",

I bet there's more to that story.

And I'm reading my Lucifer collection as we speak, I have every issue he ever appeared in... Tell me that issue #, so I can look into it myself.

This means nothing.

Which meant nothing.

hysterical2

Your hilarious. All of a sudden you think you've made an impression.

My children. Your head has gassed up to quickly my boy, you have no position to correct anyone.

Run along now my child...

Originally posted by Mr Master
1. For Lucifer it is impossible, if you say.

For the Living Tribunal it is NOT.

LT hangs around OUTSIDE of existence any time he wishes.

Like when he was holding a meeting OUTSIDE of Existence in the 16th DIMENSION, with Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order, pertaining to
Owen Reece and his potential.

LT has done MORE than that, so you shouldn't make such claims.

LT's "ace up his sleeve" is his power OVER the Infinity Gauntlet.

Basically whatever the IG can do, LT is beyond that, period.

Where the hell did you get this from? 😕

😆

This means nothing.

How does this enhance the Feat in any way?

He created a Universe...Fine.

Cosmic Containment Units can do that.

5 Cosmic Containment Units CREATED a Duplicate 616 Universe.

And CCs are nothing to LT.

(note) nice adaptation on the paragraphical structure I display in posts.

i'm creating little monsters 😮‍💨

2. i got that info about the beings lucifer made from the actual book, and it is a fact, not my oppinion

3. lol, its the only way i can think to quote what you have said 🙂

4. and remember they dont have as many feats as each other, but in the end these are the two most powerful beings is the marvel and dc universes, just under TOAA/yahweh.....the fight could go either way......agreed?

Originally posted by galan7777777
well, im really not into arguing, and no matter what feats i list, u will never put them on the same level as LT, which is fine.... in terms of on pannel feats lucifer dosent have as many (i guess), but as i said dont count him out so quickly........ and i have not gassed up at all, the only people who think lucifer "needed" michael havent read the lucifer issues for themselves, and if im wrong, then i challenge you to find the part where lucifer is creating his universe where it says that "he needed michaels power to do so"........ there is nothing that says this, in fact it says quite the opposite

I agreed that Lucifer created a Universe.

That is an amzing feat, not many beings can do that in either company.

In my understanding of Universal power, that is the highest level:

1.Creating
2. Remaking
3. Destroying

I'm not downing LCF, but LT has been shown overpowering powers that can obliterate the Multi-verse.

And that's what it comes down to in these hypothetical battles, Feats.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agreed that Lucifer created a Universe.

That is an amzing feat, not many beings can do that in either company.

In my understanding of Universal power, that is the highest level:

1.Creating
2. Remaking
3. Destroying

I'm not downing LCF, but LT has been shown overpowering powers that can obliterate the Multi-verse.

And that's what it comes down to in these hypothetical battles, Feats.

Originally posted by galan7777777
1. lucifer is outside of existance just as LT

Ok.

Which means they can hurt each other.

Your argument was that it was "impossible" for LT to kill Lucifer because he was "outside" of existence.

Originally posted by galan7777777
2. i got that info about the beings lucifer made from the actual book, and it is a fact, not my oppinion

Nice.

Originally posted by galan7777777
3. lol, its the only way i can think to quote what you have said

Imagine how I feel, debating amongst innocence that "peck at your ankles for crumbs". (this is not an insult by the way)

Originally posted by galan7777777
4. and remember they dont have as many feats as each other, but in the end these are the two most powerful beings is the marvel and dc universes, just under TOAA/yahweh.....the fight could go either way......agreed?

Thoeretically they are equal.

Feat wise, LT takes it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ok.

Which means they can hurt each other.

Your argument was that it was "impossible" for LT to kill Lucifer because he was "outside" of existence.

Nice.

Imagine how I feel, debating amongst innocence that "peck at your ankles for crumbs".

Thoeretically they are equal.

Feat wise, LT takes it.

2. thanx 😄

3. lol, i could imagine 😂

4. i agree feat wise, LT simply has more, but also remember that lucifer has never faced an opponent that has been a "multiversal threat"...... but im just glad someone actually takes the time to look at the amazing things lucifer has done before they judge him 🙂

Originally posted by galan7777777
but im just glad someone actually takes the time to look at the amazing things lucifer has done before they judge him 🙂

😄

im outta here g'nite, ttyl!

but lucifer can exist outside of existence and he can rewrite universal law like he did with the silkman

Originally posted by Mider999
but lucifer can exist outside of existence and he can rewrite universal law like he did with the silkman

Yea, we established that Lucifer created a Universe, and I've always said creating a Universe is the highest level of Universal power that can be reached.

And they can both exist outside of existence, amongst others, that's not much of a big deal in Marvel.

Originally posted by Mider999
but lucifer can exist outside of existence and he can rewrite universal law like he did with the silkman

Can someone put both of their powers down, i know bout lucifer, i mean if hes satan second in power after god, i mean no one should be able to destroy him but god, so i dunno ma, i got comic book knowledge but never really heard of LT or Luciifer in comics, anyways if sum1 knows both of their real powers and accounts of amazing things they have done please list them. thanx

lucifer once defeated a guy who existed outside of existence by rewriting the laws of the universe making him exist in it

he helped mold the multiverse in the very beginning with permission of the source of course

he gave a demon a soul so the demon could burn in hell forever instead of just blanking into nothingness

he can exist outside of existence as well cause he did this when he was making his own universe or creation as some say leaning tword a multiverse most Bio's on lucifer say he and micheal can create multiverses together but that alone he can only make universes as well as create aspects such as time and space on a whim

when the presance left the multiverse lucifer did something to creation that allowed it to exist even though the presance was gone

when it comes to brains he defeats gods with out ANY power, he also outsmarted heaven's armies when they where going to war against him by using a powerful monster

death itself what multi death if there is such a thing in the MU is in the DC i mean death of the endless when refuring to DC, anyway she fears lucifer and he says she has no power over him, others have stated that lucifer would return from annihilation just from his sheer power.

certain beings whom ever gods fear are scared of lucifer.

in maybe his very first comics sandman presents lucifer, lucifer killed the silent ones or some race of gods

he defeated a double of himself which was suppose to cancel out his powers i believe

if you want to know the feats for LT ask someone else cause to me his only real power beside his massive jobber aura is being able to lock up a universe, and also causing super novas he is above eternity but above lucifer not to me, beside that spectre and LT are suppose to be equals

it was stated in a sandman comic that lucifer morningstar is even stronger then the spectre, and micheal has defeated spectre by the way, and micheal was defeated by lucifer.

Thanx mider, um knowing that i guess i'll cast my vote with lucifer taking it in a duel.

Originally posted by Mider999
lucifer once defeated a guy who existed outside of existence by rewriting the laws of the universe making him exist in it

he helped mold the multiverse in the very beginning with permission of the source of course

he gave a demon a soul so the demon could burn in hell forever instead of just blanking into nothingness

he can exist outside of existence as well cause he did this when he was making his own universe or creation as some say leaning tword a multiverse most Bio's on lucifer say he and micheal can create multiverses together but that alone he can only make universes as well as create aspects such as time and space on a whim

when the presance left the multiverse lucifer did something to creation that allowed it to exist even though the presance was gone

when it comes to brains he defeats gods with out ANY power, he also outsmarted heaven's armies when they where going to war against him by using a powerful monster

death itself what multi death if there is such a thing in the MU is in the DC i mean death of the endless when refuring to DC, anyway she fears lucifer and he says she has no power over him, others have stated that lucifer would return from annihilation just from his sheer power.

certain beings whom ever gods fear are scared of lucifer.

in maybe his very first comics sandman presents lucifer, lucifer killed the silent ones or some race of gods

he defeated a double of himself which was suppose to cancel out his powers i believe

if you want to know the feats for LT ask someone else cause to me his only real power beside his massive jobber aura is being able to lock up a universe, and also causing super novas he is above eternity but above lucifer not to me, beside that spectre and LT are suppose to be equals

it was stated in a sandman comic that lucifer morningstar is even stronger then the spectre, and micheal has defeated spectre by the way, and micheal was defeated by lucifer.

2. nowhere does it say lucifer can or cannot create a multiverse, but he has only demonstrated the making of a single universe

3. lucifer was allowed to exist in yahweh's absence because yahweh chose lucifer as his successor to the throne of heavan, even over michael himself

4. yes lucifers smarts and will are unriveled, as lucifer himself put it, "omnipotence means nothing without WILL"

5. all of the heavenly host is scared of lucifer (as they have shown in the past) lucifer alone is thousands of times more powerful then the entire heavenly host as stated on pannel

6. he defeated this double out of sheer will, again proving how powerful his will is

7. and yes it was said that lucifer is stronger then spectre- the wrath of god...and lucifer has beaten michael, by sheer knowledge and omnipotence....... it was a great battle

Originally posted by Mider999
if you want to know the feats for LT ask someone else cause to me his only real power beside his massive jobber aura is being able to lock up a universe, and also causing super novas.

hysterical2

Originally posted by Dark Knight 77
Thanx mider, um knowing that i guess i'll cast my vote with lucifer taking it in a duel.

Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good.

Originally posted by galan7777777

7. and yes it was said that lucifer is stronger then spectre- the wrath of god...and lucifer has beaten michael, by sheer knowledge and omnipotence....... it was a great battle

Was not Lucifer only able to defeat Michael in combat because Michael wasn't even trying, that and Lucifer was possessed by Fernis and Michael was injured?

In power terms though I would rank Michael above Lucifer, seeing as though Lucifer does have the "greater" will in DC over Michael, Michael still has in my opinion the second most powerful will and in some ways Michael's will rivals Lucifers in that both of their wills are different but on the same level, and vice versa can be said that Lucifer has power equal to Michaels but on a different perspective.

My point being is that speculatively Michael has all the power of Vertigo's god does he not? Because he is the Demiguros and later becomes one with the Logos, so theoritically, even though they never showed what happened to Michael in the end, wouldn't Michael in a way be one with Vertigo's god even though he left DC at the end?

What I'm trying to say, is not Michael's will just as great as Lucifers and perhaps even greater, though both are great in a different perspective. Lucifer had the Will to persist and combat against all odds, but Michael had the will to realize and see what must be done and even to the point where he crossed the line and went against all.

Did Michael become one with vertigo's "god" and leave with him at the end when he left creation? Lucifer in a different perspective was offered some thing similar, to become one with god at the end, but lucifer declined. So maybe Michael accepted and went with god and lucifer declined and stayed?

Originally posted by Jesse7
Was not Lucifer only able to defeat Michael in combat because Michael wasn't even trying, that and Lucifer was possessed by Fernis and Michael was injured?

In power terms though I would rank Michael above Lucifer, seeing as though Lucifer does have the "greater" will in DC over Michael, Michael still has in my opinion the second most powerful will and in some ways Michael's will rivals Lucifers in that both of their wills are different but on the same level, and vice versa can be said that Lucifer has power equal to Michaels but on a different perspective.

My point being is that speculatively Michael has all the power of Vertigo's god does he not? Because he is the Demiguros and later becomes one with the Logos, so theoritically, even though they never showed what happened to Michael in the end, wouldn't Michael in a way be one with Vertigo's god even though he left DC at the end?

What I'm trying to say, is not Michael's will just as great as Lucifers and perhaps even greater, though both are great in a different perspective. Lucifer had the Will to persist and combat against all odds, but Michael had the will to realize and see what must be done and even to the point where he crossed the line and went against all.

Did Michael become one with vertigo's "god" and leave with him at the end when he left creation? Lucifer in a different perspective was offered some thing similar, to become one with god at the end, but lucifer declined. So maybe Michael accepted and went with god and lucifer declined and stayed?

your point is well taken, and in fact in one of the lucifer comics (forgive me for not knowing exactly which one, im not at home) lucifer is talking to michael about their father yahweh, and lucifer says "our father gave us each his power" so perspectivley they each have the same amount of power, but lucifer has been stated to be more powerful then michael, as lucifer once said "what good is omnipotence without WILL?" and in the end that you are refering to it is speculated that michael went with god, but him doing this obviously makes his will far less then lucifer's, for lucifer has the will to turn his back on yahweh and rebel against his wishes..... if michael possessed the same will as lucifer he would have chosen his own path as lucifer did....... it was this reason that michael started to speculate gods word, because yahweh chose lucifer to be his successor in heaven when he departed, because lucifer has what no other angels of the order have (a will completely of his own, a will to go against even yahweh, something that even michael could not do)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well ofcourse on that totally biased interpretation of the two, how could you not.

Tomorrow, I'll dump a load of LT feats with scans, (On Panel ofcourse) to shut down this pesty LT hater for good.