Lucifer Morningstar v.s. The Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr Master
[QUOTE=7308405]Originally posted by Juntai
[B] His judgement was not based in confrontation, but the very idea that the confrontation needn't take place.

That's not what I based it on.

Before the Warlock bit.

LT doesn't ALLOW the Gems to work as one, HOW is that NOT overpowering the Gauntlet if it's UPTO HIM for the Gauntlet to have any significance.

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together" this isn't control over the IG?

Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function.

Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG, only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling.

Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints

A single phrase uttered by LT actually POWERS UP the Infinity Gauntlet.

The result in an instant

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He uses his power to judge...

Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs

"I represent forces that Dwarf even your might"

Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT, he EVIDENTLY knew he did.

Warlock tells LT of how Powerful he has become.

After Warlock's "warning" of how powerful he was, LT STILL rules against him.

Here LT acknowledges that it would take destroying this UNIVERSE in order to take the Gauntlet from Warlock, he's not hesitating, he simply rather not have to obliterate a Reality (a Universe) to strip Adam of the IG.

They BOTH knew the outcome before it started.

This is the way Warlock saw the whole event

Warlock says, "I was ORDERED"....by the Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Juntai
I don't see how a reality would be destroyed in the conflict between the Gauntlet Wielder and himself should he be able to simply will them off. Quite convoluted and contradicting.

Once the IG has been assembled and is functioning, it must be taken by force.

Nothing contradicting at all.

Originally posted by galan7777777
was it truly LT's power that surpassed the gems? or was it his judgement that surpassed the gem's power?..... im just curious

If you read the scan, it clearly says, "his POWER surpassed that of the Gems"

Originally posted by Mr Master
If you read the scan, it clearly says, "his POWER surpassed that of the Gems"

Originally posted by galan7777777
but the other scans u posted from the comics seem like its his judgement and authority over the universe that stops the gauntlet, more so then his power..... im just curious about that

This is LT using Power to negate the IG's affect, not to mention he recreated the Abstracts that were just obliterated.

Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs

And in this scenerio, LT is refering to HIS Power, Not his authority

Warlock says, "It all comes down to you deciding if I should retain control of the IG"

LT answers him, "And DETERMINING if I have the POWER to"

Warlock, finishes his sentence, "Wrest the Gauntlet from me"

It's obvious LT is gauging just how powerful Warlock is, or "Determining"

Eternity says, "We await the wisdom of your judgement"

LT says, "And so you shall have it"

Warlock then says, "Remember, you are about to hand down a verdict on one who is the Master of Power, Space, Reality, the Soul, the Mind and Time"

After all that LT responds, "I DO. Let it be known that I RULE against you"

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is LT using Power to negate the IG's affect, not to mention he recreated the Abstracts that were just obliterated.

Warlock destroys the hierarchy of representitives, except for LT ofcourse.

With a gesture LT STOPS the IG ATTACK and RECREATES the Abstratcs

And in this scenerio, LT is refering to HIS Power, Not his authority

Warlock says, "It all comes down to you deciding if I should retain control of the IG"

LT answers him, "And DETERMINING if I have the power to"

Warlock, finishes his sentence, "Wrest the Gauntlet from me"

It's obvious LT is gauging just how powerful Warlock is, or "Determining"

Eternity says, "We await the wisdom of your judgement"

LT says, "And so you shall have it"

Warlock then says, "Remember, you are about to hand down a verdict on one who is the Master of Power, Space, Reality, the Soul, the Mind and Time"

After all that LT responds, "I DO. Let it be known that I RULE against you"

Originally posted by galan7777777
so would it be safe to say that LT overpowering and ruling over the IG was somewhat the "limits" of what LT can do?

Well considering the IG is the most Powerful thing in all the Multiverses, besides TOAA's power (HOTU), it's probably safe to say.

Originally posted by galan7777777
i mean in those scans he didnt seem sure that he had enough power to retain control of the gems

He was sure, since they both knew what was going to happen anyway.

But the comic had to have some drama.

Remember, they both always knew, because they both can see the Future

But if we want to be technical,

LT determined if he had enough Power, and realized he did, and judged against Warlock.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well considering the IG is the most Powerful thing in all the Multiverses, besides TOAA's power (HOTU), it's probably safe to say.

He was sure, since they both knew what was going to happen anyway.

But the comic had to have some drama.

Remember, they both always knew, because they both can see the Future

But if we want to be technical,

LT determined if he had enough Power, and realized he did, and judged against Warlock.

Originally posted by galan7777777
yeah, i guess the drama aspect of comics is always the most confusing lol...

True indeed.

now the IG is more powerful then anything in the multiverses, where did you get this assumption now? And where does it say the cosmics where killed they looked like they got knocked around but it doesnt say they died, and where does it say LT determined he had enough power in your mind i guess as usual, your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing, warlock gave the IG up cause he didnt want the universe to die isnt that what really happend.

Originally posted by Mider999
now the IG is more powerful then anything in the multiverses, where did you get this assumption now? And where does it say the cosmics where killed they looked like they got knocked around but it doesnt say they died, and where does it say LT determined he had enough power in your mind i guess as usual, your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing, warlock gave the IG up cause he didnt want the universe to die isnt that what really happend.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He uses his power to judge...

If he uses his power to judge, How can he judge over lucifer? lucifer is beyond judgement right?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If he uses his power to judge, How can he judge over lucifer? lucifer is beyond judgement right?

Originally posted by galan7777777
yes, we have all agreed that LT couldnt judge lucifer because he is outside of creation and judgement as is LT himself

Then Lucifer cannot be beaten by the LT. It is within the wrealm of possibility that if Lucifer and the LT lived in the same universe that, Lucifer would find a way to beat the LT. He couldnt' do it on his own as niether have sufficient power to beat the other. But, Lucifer's ego and will would have him find a way. Even if he had to appeal to the presence to replace the LT as the Judge of the omniverse. Cuz to be honest, all of them live and exist in thier purpose only becuz of the will of TOAA.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Then Lucifer cannot be beaten by the LT. It is within the wrealm of possibility that if Lucifer and the LT lived in the same universe that, Lucifer would find a way to beat the LT. He couldnt' do it on his own as niether have sufficient power to beat the other. But, Lucifer's ego and will would have him find a way. Even if he had to appeal to the presence to replace the LT as the Judge of the omniverse. Cuz to be honest, all of them live and exist in thier purpose only becuz of the will of TOAA.

Originally posted by Mider999
now the IG is more powerful then anything in the multiverses, where did you get this assumption now?

Thanos told me

Originally posted by Mider999
And where does it say the cosmics where killed they looked like they got knocked around but it doesnt say they died,

Your hate may blind you, but we all see what's so clear

Warlock is Flaring up like Ryu's "Ayunke"

"How dare you seek to JUDGE Me"

Warlock lets out his Power.

I don't about you , but I see Entities being BLOWN to BITS

"I will NOT Tolerate this Effrontery"

Originally posted by Mider999
and where does it say LT determined he had enough power in your mind i guess as usual,

Perhaps like this, I can amuse my children.

WARLCOK says, "It all comes down to you deciding if I should retain control of the IG"

LT answers him, "And DETERMINING if I have the POWER to"

Warlock, finishes his sentence, "Wrest the Gauntlet from me"

It's obvious LT is gauging just how powerful Warlock is, or "Determining"

Eternity says, "We await the wisdom of YOUR Judgement"

LT says, "And so you shall have it"

Warlock then says, "Remember, you are about to hand down a verdict on one who is the Master of Power, Space, Reality, the Soul, the Mind and Time"

After all that LT responds, "I DO. Let it be known that I RULE against you"

Originally posted by Mider999
your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing,

sarcasticclap

Originally posted by Mider999
warlock gave the IG up cause he didnt want the universe to die isnt that what really happend.

"your like those people who interpret things that arent even part of the original writing"

sleepyhead

Originally posted by galan7777777
actually mider LT says in this scan "and DETERMAINING if i have the power to" which is an answer to warlock asking him if he can stop the IG
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt1yw6.jpg

This proves your not a hater, that you trully are basing your opinion on panel evidence.

Others though... 😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
This proves your not a hater, that you trully are basing your opinion on panel evidence.

Others though... 😆