The top dog is Luke. Then you have Palpatine, Kyle, Kun and Ulic. Then the rest - Yoda, Mace, Dooku, Anakin, Jacen, Vodo etc.
Also, if you include other factors, Sion, Krayt and Bane etc. are up there too, though I suppose this is only based on dueling ability in which case they're pretty much unknowns.
Originally posted by Jen'ari
lol, Just refer to Advent's post on Kyle. Ulic was able to stalemate a jedi while having been four years out of practise and cut off from the force, and Kun was pretty much on par with him + he had his unique style and saber which makes him even better.
Kun and Yoda are on par. NJO Kyle may be enough to defeat Yoda - but he would have one hell of a time. Especially in an all out fight, where Yoda would probably just wipe him out with the Force.
Yoda's good like that. 😐
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Kyle's far from Luke. The NJO made it clear he's the strongest being in the SW galaxy, far and away.
agreed but not stronger than anakin at his peak.
hmm simple answer to what you will ask
yea ok GL said luke became what anakin should have become, hmm that means strongest jedi?
yup u guessed it.
and didnt GL say that if anakin had achieved his full potential he would have become the strongest force user who ever lived?
the word "who ever lived".
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda was the best swordsman the Jedi order had ever seen by that point. No overrating.And OMG, Ulic held a blinded with rage Jedi of no skills to speak of off, so?
And Kyle's far from Luke. The NJO made it clear he's the strongest being in the SW galaxy, far and away.
1. Could you provide the exact quote because I'm pretty sure it could be fallible. If not, I still don't buy it.
2. Sylvar was exceptional. She was able to floor three stronger primitive Massasi with just her hands (granted she did have sharp Cathar claws) and was able to sneak up on Oss Wilum and knock him to the ground with just her saber hilt. She was also able to defeat Kun when they were both training under Vodo Siosk-Bass in saber combat. She was skilled. She was also very aggresive during their fight which would have made it especially hard to fed her off without killing her.
Ulic was also four years out of practise and cut off from the force, now the way The Exile describes makes it seem as if a jedi is virtually powerless without the force, yet Ulic was still able to pull this off.
3. Regarding saber combat, I always thought that they were pretty close.
Originally posted by Jen'ari
1. Could you provide the exact quote because I'm pretty sure it could be fallible. If not, I still don't buy it.2. Sylvar was exceptional. She was able to floor three stronger primitive Massasi with just her hands (granted she did have sharp Cathar claws) and was able to sneak up on Oss Wilum and knock him to the ground with just her saber hilt. She was also able to defeat Kun when they were both training under Vodo Siosk-Bass in saber combat. She was skilled. She was also very aggresive during their fight which would have made it especially hard to fed her off without killing her.
Ulic was also four years out of practise and cut off from the force, now the way The Exile describes makes it seem as if a jedi is virtually powerless without the force, yet Ulic was still able to pull this off.
3. Regarding saber combat, I always thought that they were pretty close.
For the last time, and Sama already destroyed your attempts at arguing this, Sylvar was an average Jedi at best, so stop saying she was exceptional. Sylvar was NOTHING ok?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
For the last time, and Sama already destroyed your attempts at arguing this, Sylvar was an average Jedi at best, so stop saying she was exceptional. Sylvar was NOTHING ok?
Sorry, but those points I made shows that she is exceptional. Do you even undestand how strong those Massasi who she killed were? Sadow's weaker Massasi were able to kill ancient sith lords (granted in numbers) yet she was able to floor three of Kun's stronger Massasi in seconds without a saber. The points at least show that she was above people such as Oss Wilum, who was actually described as 'exceptional' by the omniscient narrator. She was exceptional, you can't argue against that.
Originally posted by Jen'ari
Sorry, but those points I made shows that she is exceptional. Do you even undestand how strong those Massasi who she killed were? Sadow's weaker Massasi were able to kill ancient sith lords (granted in numbers) yet she was able to floor three of Kun's stronger Massasi in seconds without a saber. The points at least show that she was above people such as Oss Wilum, who was actually described as 'exceptional' by the omniscient narrator. She was exceptional, you can't argue against that.
and what are you trying to argue about here?
Originally posted by Jen'ari
1. Could you provide the exact quote because I'm pretty sure it could be fallible. If not, I still don't buy it.2. Sylvar was exceptional. She was able to floor three stronger primitive Massasi with just her hands (granted she did have sharp Cathar claws) and was able to sneak up on Oss Wilum and knock him to the ground with just her saber hilt. She was also able to defeat Kun when they were both training under Vodo Siosk-Bass in saber combat. She was skilled. She was also very aggresive during their fight which would have made it especially hard to fed her off without killing her.
Ulic was also four years out of practise and cut off from the force, now the way The Exile describes makes it seem as if a jedi is virtually powerless without the force, yet Ulic was still able to pull this off.
3. Regarding saber combat, I always thought that they were pretty close.
2. Stronger MAsassi? Massassi were pathetic! OMG, she killed three Massassi with claws in a berserker rage! She hit...OSs Willum, a guy with only a few years of training! And she able to BRAVELY and STRONGLY sneak up on him, WOW! Able to defeat Kun in saber combat? Liar. And OMG, Ulic held her off for all of a MINUTE! WOW!
And I don't care what bullshit the Exile goes on about, Ulic's condition contradicts any of Kreia's viewpoints.
3. And what you think is Star Wars canon, hm?
Originally posted by ESB Vader
agreed but not stronger than anakin at his peak.
hmm simple answer to what you will askyea ok GL said luke became what anakin should have become, hmm that means strongest jedi?
yup u guessed it.and didnt GL say that if anakin had achieved his full potential he would have become the strongest force user who ever lived?
the word "who ever lived".
What the? He said "what Anakin would be", in potential, not only as a jedi. They have the SAME potential, how could Anakin become more powerful if they have the same potential? From what we know, Luke got far more advanced techniques and shit after the Vong, being able to reach WHOLE NEW LEVELS of the force.
And stronger than whoever lived was BEFORE LUKE WAS BORN, point moot!
Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. Power of the Jedi, Yoda is declared the best duelist the Order has seen. And he's on part with, if not superior to Sidious. You have ANY proof for him being overrated?2. Stronger MAsassi? Massassi were pathetic! OMG, she killed three Massassi with claws in a berserker rage! She hit...OSs Willum, a guy with only a few years of training! And she able to BRAVELY and STRONGLY sneak up on him, WOW! Able to defeat Kun in saber combat? Liar. And OMG, Ulic held her off for all of a MINUTE! WOW!
And I don't care what bullshit the Exile goes on about, Ulic's condition contradicts any of Kreia's viewpoints.3. And what you think is Star Wars canon, hm?
1. Page number please. It was also most likely referring to the order since its reformation after Ruusan anyway. And he is pretty overrated, just look at when he fights the Count, all that jumping and spinning and wild slashing and he achieves nothing - the Count is able to handle it fine and Yoda ends up the more tired of the two imo. Yet people claim that he owned Dooku when he clearly didn't. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Dooku was a better swordsman than Yoda.
2. No they were not. Weaker Massasi were able to assassinate ancient sith lords. They were pretty strong. Oss Wilum, that guy with only a few years of training (proof for that btw) was claimed by the omniscient narrator to be 'exceptional'. And she did defeat Exar Kun when they were students in DLOTS. Not really, I'd say Ulic was suffering just as much as The Exile.
3. *misses Lightsnake's point*
Originally posted by Jen'ari
1. Page number please. It was also most likely referring to the order since its reformation after Ruusan anyway. And he is pretty overrated, just look at when he fights the Count, all that jumping and spinning and wild slashing and he achieves nothing - the Count is able to handle it fine and Yoda ends up the more tired of the two imo. Yet people claim that he owned Dooku when he clearly didn't. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Dooku was a better swordsman than Yoda.2. No they were not. Weaker Massasi were able to assassinate ancient sith lords. They were pretty strong. Oss Wilum, that guy with only a few years of training (proof for that btw) was claimed by the omniscient narrator to be 'exceptional'. And she did defeat Exar Kun when they were students in DLOTS. Not really, I'd say Ulic was suffering just as much as The Exile.
3. *misses Lightsnake's point*
1. It's in Yoda's section. Oh, and 'most likely referring to....' Lucas also called the PT the Prime of the Jedi in regards to fighting. Oh, and last I checked, he beat Dooku completely. What happened in the scene>Your opinion of it. Dooku acknolwedges his loss and in Dark Rendevous, Yoda beats him AGAIN. So, no! You're wrong! Yoda> Dooku and this is expressly stated in the books and novelization.
Oh, Yoda was also the most skilled Jedi in, y'know, their prime in regards to fighting. To quote the AOTC comic adaptation: "Yoda shows why he is considered the most powerful Jedi...and Dooku realizes he is not the strongest after all."
And the script makes it clear Yoda dominated Dooku
2. Prove they were weaker. Thanks! Oh, and in TOTJ KOTOR, Oss says he's been training for a few years with Thon! And Massassi killed distracted Sith Lords busy with battle who trusted them! OMG! When was Oss claimed to be exceptional now? And where'd she beat Kun? Last I checked she slashed his face and ended up on her face before Vodo stopped Kun from killing her. Try again.
Originally posted by kamikz
What the? He said "what Anakin would be", in potential, not only as a jedi. They have the SAME potential, how could Anakin become more powerful if they have the same potential? From what we know, Luke got far more advanced techniques and shit after the Vong, being able to reach WHOLE NEW LEVELS of the force.And stronger than whoever lived was BEFORE LUKE WAS BORN, point moot!
anakin was the chosen one and as GL stated, him being the chosen one, that he had the most potential of any jedi in the past, the present or future, a.k.a. EVER.
luke was more skilled than the movie anakin but he wasn't hacked up into pieces and put back together in a suit that hampered movements and force abilities.
if it was anakin in lukes place then anakin would, in theory, be better in the ways of the force and at fighting.