Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, it was Vader's toughts, I've read RoDV. Luca said Vader could only become 80 percent of Palpatine, so end story there.
Vader was THINKING they;d become equals, that was all
um 1 of them was from vaders thoughts yes i agree but page 330 is from the write "there would be a day however when THEY would become equals" that proves that page was from the writer, not vader.
'Vader continued on to the end of bridge walkway, thinking: This is how I will be greeted from now on, wherever I set foot.
Standing at the forward viewports, he scanned the stars with his reconstructed eyes.
He had guardianship of all this, or at least joint custody of it. The Jedi no longer mattered; they were no different from others who would interfere with his and Sidious's realm. Their mission was to maintain order, so that the dark side could continue to reign supreme.
Anakin was gone; a memory so deeply buried he might have dreamed rather than lived it. The Force as Anakin knew it was interred with him, and inseparable from him.
Just as Sidious promised, he was now married to the order of the Sith, and needed no other companion than the dark side of the Force. He embraced all that he had done to bring balance to the Force, by dismantling the corrupt Republic and toppling the Jedi, and he reveled in his power. It could all be his, anything he wished. He needed only the determination to take it, at whatever cost to those who stood in his way.
But . . .
He was also married to Sidious, who doled out precious bits of Sith technique as if merely lending them—just enough to increase his apprentice's power, without making him supremely powerful.
There would come a day, however, when they would be equals.
He scanned the stars, looking forward to a time when he could find an apprentice of his own and, together with that one, topple Darth Sidious from his throne.
It gave him something to live for.'
It's called free indirect discourse, the narrator is clearly indirectly voicing what Vader believed.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, it was Vader's toughts, I've read RoDV. Luca said Vader could only become 80 percent of Palpatine, so end story there.
Vader was THINKING they;d become equals, that was all
did you read my post? do you want me to send you a copy of the page where it said "they would be equals"
"they" refers to vader and his homo husband sidious.
as i said there were 2 pages, 1 from vaders thoughts the other from the AUTHOR or the writer w/e.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Um, except it's contradicted by Lucas, since he said Vader only ever became 80 percent of Sidious.I read RodV...it's Vader's tHOUGHTS...notice how it says 'Vader thinks' and then goes into that? It's from Vader' POV and this is not arguable. You're wrong, accept it.
And Luke's potential=Anakin's
no your wrong, as i said there are 2 pages and some of us have already broke your arguements, how can "they" come from vaders thoughts?
1 was from vaders thoughts the other from the author, accept it lightsnake.
He was also married to Sidious, who doled out precious bits of Sith technique as if merely lending them—just enough to increase his apprentice's power, without making him supremely powerful.
There would come a day, however, when they would be equals.
He scanned the stars, looking forward to a time when he could find an apprentice of his own and, together with that one, topple Darth Sidious from his throne.
It gave him something to live for.'
thats directly from the book
Originally posted by ESB Vader
no your wrong, as i said there are 2 pages and some of us have already broke your arguements, how can "they" come from vaders thoughts?1 was from vaders thoughts the other from the author, accept it lightsnake.
He was also married to Sidious, who doled out precious bits of Sith technique as if merely lending them—just enough to increase his apprentice's power, without making him supremely powerful.
There would come a day, however, when they would be equals.
He scanned the stars, looking forward to a time when he could find an apprentice of his own and, together with that one, topple Darth Sidious from his throne.
It gave him something to live for.'
thats directly from the book
Lesse...because it's Vader's thoughts that they would be equal and it says just before that 'Vader THOUGHT' just before that little passage.
And Lucas's OWN WORDS say Vader was never strong as Sidious.
Sorry
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Lesse...because it's Vader's thoughts that they would be equal and it says just before that 'Vader THOUGHT' just before that little passage.And Lucas's OWN WORDS say Vader was never strong as Sidious.
Sorry
sorry that passage came AFTER vaders thoughts
vaders thoughts = pg 319
authors saying of equals =pg 330
there i broke your arguements again
and GL mentioned AS ANAKIN SKYWALKER being vader presuit form, he was 80% of sidious. if u want me to ill show you that exact quote.
OT VADER on the other hand is STRONGER than anakin skywalker in ep3,
he mastered crush, grip and he has far more experience than being presuit in ROTS.
so wouldnt that make him more than 80%, as he was as anakin skywalker?
OT vader is much stronger than anakin skywalker and his powers are greater.
so my theory is thats why james luceno said they would be equals one day.
and vader is agile, advent mentioned a flashback of vader and yes i checked it, he fought with a sword quite agile in crimson empire.
Nope, sorry, it says 'Vader thinks' before that passage.
This is Vader's POV, there is no question, stop being an idiot.
And the quote was that if Anakin hadn't gotten burned, he'd have been twice as powerful. Since he was burned, he was only eighty percent as powerful.
So, sorry, but you're wrong. Everything confirms Palpatine>Vader. Vader's thoughts don't contradict over ten years of Lucas's words and established Star Wars lore.
Get some literary skills. Luceno had characters thinking without expressely saying it all the time. Was it Luceno's thoughts Sypho-Dyas was a fool or Dooku's? Was it Luceno's viewpoint or Palpatine's that sleeping was a mistake?
There goes your pitiful little argument.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Nope, sorry, it says 'Vader thinks' before that passage.
This is Vader's POV, there is no question, stop being an idiot.And the quote was that if Anakin hadn't gotten burned, he'd have been twice as powerful. Since he was burned, he was only eighty percent as powerful.
So, sorry, but you're wrong. Everything confirms Palpatine>Vader. Vader's thoughts don't contradict over ten years of Lucas's words and established Star Wars lore.
Get some literary skills. Luceno had characters thinking without expressely saying it all the time. Was it Luceno's thoughts Sypho-Dyas was a fool or Dooku's? Was it Luceno's viewpoint or Palpatine's that sleeping was a mistake?
There goes your pitiful little argument.
1. yes vaders thoughts were before that page and u changed your words, you said it was after the authors thoughts. ur arguement on this one is broken
2. that quote was before the suit as presuit vader, i can prove it to you.
GL said "as anakin skywalker, darthvader is roughly 80% of the emperor" and clearly OT vader is much stronger than presuit vader in ROTS.
3"I fail to see how the 'they' means it's not Vader's thoughts..."
-lightsnake
then you are being a fanboy, do you understand english? its the writers thoughts on that page.
how can vader think "they would be equals" who is the other "they"?
the obvious answer is that it came from the author james luceno.
there, that again breaks your arguement its not vaders thoughts on THAT page. page 330.
vaders thoughts is 319.
lightsnake stop being an idiot on page 330 it never ever fu*king ever says vader thinks they would be equals, thats page 319