cap vs wolverine vs spider man

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h1a8 Senior Member

Here are some amazing speed feats
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5363/feat23ssspeedux1.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5531/feat15speedfz4.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2134/feat31speedbq1.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4651/feat38speedjy5.jpg
Theres one where he is running from a smart bullet that is homed to him. He catches it in the end.

Look how wide and fast he shoots the web. He does it along with many other things between heartbeats.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/346/feat3speedequipmentrx1.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9137/feat3speedequipment2qu0.jpg

Here he webs up an alert Logan (who is prepared to fight)
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/63/feat21speedequipmentdz9.jpg
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9065/feat21equipmentid9.jpg

He has more speed webbing feats. Like webbing flying arrows, missles, etc. out of the air before others or himself gets hit. Even webbing someone by the foot and pulling them out of the way the same moment the bullet leaves the barrel.

Reflexes are FORTY times faster than normal humans.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2269/feat37agilityspeedmx2.jpg

Here are three feats that show some of Spiderman's running/moving speed. Note: he's not exactly running in the latter two but more like pouncing and flipping. Also know that running is actually jumping if you really think about it. So in that case these feats are good for estimating running speed.

Here he moves fast enough on foot to beat bullets from hitting goblin
and has to create the web shields fast too (bullet speed).
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7158/feat8speedequipmentok5.jpg

Here he catches a very fast guy (traveling at least 60mph) with jet boots on and spider-man is taking the long route to him. He does this effortlessly.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7379/feat28speedze8.jpg

Here the truck is much closer to the kid than Spiderman is. So Spiderman has to cover much more distance in less time than the truck has to (thus pete has to travel faster than the speeding truck).
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6986/feat16speed1vx5.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9946/feat16speed2dn0.jpg

Soljer Beware my Power

A truck traveling through a neighborhood....twenty miles per hour?

And there is no evidence that those boots were going anywhere near sixty miles per hour.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no way in hell CA can avoid Spider-man's web. The area of the web shot is too wide and Spider-man is too fast for CA or his shield to not get webbed. Logan is similar. If Spider-man can easily strike Logan in the face then he can definitely web him (in the face). Only CA and Wolverine fans refuse to see the obvious. Now take away Spider-man's webbing and this fight gets somewhat interesting (Spider-man still wins though). But till then this is a no contest fight.

P.S. The side that one takes on this fight truly shows both their credibility and level of bias.

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Too fast for Cap? No
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6346/webdodgingiy0.jpg

Too wide? So what?
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6903/webbingshredvf2.jpg
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8089/webshred2ep4.jpg

Spiderman has never been able to "easily" strike Logan in the face with the exception of Secret wars or when Logan literally let him.... 😐

Originally posted by h1a8
Only CA and Wolverine fans refuse to see the obvious. Now take away Spider-man's webbing and this fight gets somewhat interesting (Spider-man still wins though). But till then this is a no contest fight.

P.S. The side that one takes on this fight truly shows both their credibility and level of bias.

Damned right about that last part...

So wait, what's so obvious again? Oh right.... 😐

this
plus this

equals this:

damn, you're right, that IS obvious.

Soljer Beware my Power

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Nice pictures, Jin.

jinzin Senior Member

😉

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
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Too fast for Cap? No
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6346/webdodgingiy0.jpg


Fight is invalid.


Spiderman has never been able to "easily" strike Logan in the face with the exception of Secret wars or when Logan literally let him.... 😐

Logan never let him. What Logan is an idiot now?

How fast can CA or Wolverine leap in the air. Certainly not faster than a bullet. Spiderman can web bullets out of the air. The fanboy classically uses a character's low PIS invalid feats against their character's best feats (some PIS too). Think about it. Are you doing this?

Soljer Beware my Power
Originally posted by h1a8
Fight is invalid.

Why? Because you say so?

The only times that Cap and Spidey have met, in-canon, Cap's been portrayed as Parker's superior.

jinzin Senior Member
Originally posted by h1a8
Fight is invalid.

pfffft.. "I don't like it, it didn't happen".

Originally posted by h1a8
Spiderman has never been able to "easily" strike Logan in the face with the exception of Secret wars or when Logan literally let him.... 😐
Logan never let him. What Logan is an idiot now?

What part of letting someone hit you when their punches can't actually do anything to you makes Logan an idiot?

Originally posted by h1a8
How fast can CA or Wolverine leap in the air. Certainly not faster than a bullet. Spiderman can web bullets out of the air. The fanboy classically uses a character's low PIS invalid feats against their character's best feats (some PIS too). Think about it. Are you doing this?
Nah, but you are....
You've blatently ignored that they dodge bullets too. Said even if they did it didn't matter since Spiderman's faster according to your theory anyways, in spite of on panel evidence didctating otherwise.
You've said that every time Spiderman's been hit by street levels was nothing more than a bad dream waiting to be written off by future writers, and you think that Spiderman can web up Cap easily in spite of failing to do so, can web up Logan easily in spite of failing to do so, And on top of all that nonsense, you honestly think he can beat them both in a fight WITHOUT HIS WEBBING......

It's absurd and saying things like that leads me to believe there's an unopened bottle of prescription pills in your bathroom cabinet your doctor should probably know about.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by Soljer
Why? Because you say so?

The only times that Cap and Spidey have met, in-canon, Cap's been portrayed as Parker's superior.


Has Spidey beat up Cap outside of canon?

Soljer Beware my Power
Originally posted by jinzin
Has Spidey beat up Cap outside of canon?

No idea. I don't own every out of canon showing of Cap and Spiderman.

I just know of the ones that happened in 616 - wherein each and everyone, Cap was portrayed as Parker's superior.

h1a8 Senior Member

Here's a question, answer yes or no.
If I was a Marvel writer and I wrote a comic that had Spider-man armwrestling Thing. Yet Spider-man had to win in order to save the lives of Aunt May and Mary Jane. Thing also was told though that he must win in order to save his friends (he doesn't know that if Spider-man wins he saves his love ones). So both are determined. I wrote Spider-man to win. Would you say that this feat is invalid even though it happened in canon?

What if I had written Rhino to overpower and outspeed Namor (who just came out of the water) to win the fight against him. Would you say that the fight is invalid?

Soljer Beware my Power

Irrelevant.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's a question, answer yes or no.
If I was a Marvel writer and I wrote a comic that had Spider-man armwrestling Thing. Yet Spider-man had to win in order to save the lives of Aunt May and Mary Jane. Thing also was told though that he must win in order to save his friends (he doesn't know that if Spider-man wins he saves his love ones). So both are determined. I wrote Spider-man to win. Would you say that this feat is invalid even though it happened in canon?
Depends on how he won.

Originally posted by h1a8
What if I had written Rhino to overpower and outspeed Namor (who just came out of the water) to win the fight against him. Would you say that the fight is invalid?
with current rhino? Yes.. because he has a history showing to be unable to overpower characters at his level and far below, he has a history of losing to everyone he fights, he has a history of never showing speed on Namor's level... Just like Spiderman has a history of having major problems with every h2h specialist he comes up against on Cap's level...

Rhino curbing Namor goes against historical references,
Spidey getting beat by someone like Cap in h2h does not.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
pfffft.. "I don't like it, it didn't happen".

What part of letting someone hit you when their punches can't actually do anything to you makes Logan an idiot?

So Logan let Spiderman web him up on purpose then. 🙄


Nah, but you are....
You've blatently ignored that they dodge bullets too. Said even if they did it didn't matter since Spiderman's faster according to your theory anyways, in spite of on panel evidence didctating otherwise.
You've said that every time Spiderman's been hit by street levels wasnothing more than a bad dream waiting to be written off by future writers, and you think that Spiderman can web up Cap easily in spite of failing to do so, can web up Logan easily in spite of failing to do so, And on top of all that nonsense, you honestly think he can beat them both in a fight WITHOUT HIS WEBBING......
You have never shown me that they dodged bullets. And dodging bullets requires moving out of the way after they are fired and not before. Otherwise you just got out the way of the aim and not really dodged anything. Also, you must understand that Spiderman never failed to web Cap. Why? Because it didn't happen. He also never failed to web up Wolverine. Why? You guessed it!

I didn't say he can beat them both (like they are teaming against him) without his webbing. I said he can win this contest of every man for himself. Big difference. But I'm a very honest person (I try hard to be). I honestly think that Pete can beat both without his webbing even if they teamed up against him.


It's absurd and saying things like that leads me to believe there's an unopened bottle of prescription pills in your bathroom cabinet your doctor should probably know about.
I actually enjoy making people laugh or surprising people with my opinions. But I really mean them. And I totally understand where you are coming from and why we disagree. You are letting the actual fights that happened in comics be the 100% deciding factor without even considering the motivation of the writers or the PIS of them. Where I can recognize shtty and illogical writing when I see it. Thus I use other feats along with common sense to be my guide.

Without common sense then all this comic debating stuff becomes nonsense and a waste of time. Either Spiderman can react to a bullet or he can't. Either Spiderman can catch a bullet with his web or he can't. There is no inbetween (the law of the excluded middle). And if CA or Wolverine can't move in the air faster than the speed of a bullet (which is supersonic) then it is common sense that Spiderman can hit and web them (and avoid being hit by them too).

h1a8 Senior Member
Originally posted by jinzin
Depends on how he won.
Using pure strength and willpower.

Spidey getting beat by someone like Cap in h2h does not.

Yet it goes against common sense.

jinzin Senior Member
Originally posted by h1a8
So Logan let Spiderman web him up on purpose then. 🙄

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A different incident alltogether... the only time Spiderman's successfully webbed up Logan was during a non fight.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have never shown me that they dodged bullets. And dodging bullets requires moving out of the way after they are fired and not before. Otherwise you just got out the way of the aim and not really dodged anything. Also, you must understand that Spiderman never failed to web Cap. Why? Because it didn't happen. He also never failed to web up Wolverine. Why? You guessed it!

And why should I? Aside from the fact that it's basically common knowledge, you flat out said it wouldn't matter if I did, so where's my incentive?

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"I don't like it, it didn't happen"

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say he can beat them both (like they are teaming against him) without his webbing. I said he can win this contest of every man for himself. Big difference. But I'm a very honest person (I try hard to be). I honestly think that Pete can beat both without his webbing even if they teamed up against him.

You've been arguing for several pages that he could beat them both "easily", so if that's what you meant you should have clarified...

Now even in a three way without his webs? HE LOSES.... He loses horribly, his webs are the only thing that really makes him competative against a guy like Logan or Cap... without them he's toast.

Originally posted by h1a8
I actually enjoy making people laugh or surprising people with my opinions. But I really mean them. And I totally understand where you are coming from and why we disagree. You are letting the actual fights that happened in comics be the 100% deciding factor without even considering the motivation of the writers or the PIS of them. Where I can recognize shtty and illogical writing when I see it. Thus I use other feats along with common sense to be my guide.

What you've failed to recognize however, is that your opinions about what a character can or can't do based on power set alone doesn't necessarily take precidence over what they've done, especially when consistency is involved.
Common sense is only applicable with the rules and principles of whatever world we're subjected to, you're subjecting yourself to a fictionalized media where people get powers from radiation instead of cancer.. where's common sense there?

Originally posted by h1a8
Without common sense then all this comic debating stuff becomes nonsense and a waste of time. Either Spiderman can react to a bullet or he can't. Either Spiderman can catch a bullet with his web or he can't. There is no inbetween (the law of the excluded middle). And if CA or Wolverine can't move in the air faster than the speed of a bullet (which is supersonic) then it is common sense that Spiderman can hit and web them (and avoid being hit by them too).
Not if it's not used subjectively which is exactly what you're doing.
So it's "common sense" that Spiderman can move at Super sonic speeds but not others?
Your argument necessarily forces people to accept the logically ridiculous of Spiderman but recognise it in Wolvie and Cap.. It opts to ignore Wolverine and Cap feats while upholding Spiderman's... it's subjective and it's not based in comic book reality, being that he hasn't been able to easily beat or web up either one of these two alone, nevermind them together.

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Using pure strength and willpower.

Again depends on how it was written.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yet it goes against common sense.
No it doesn't, and the only reason you think it does is because you give no merit to what Cap's PROVEN he's capable of doing.

Mr Master Junior Member

Spiderman should takes this right?

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by jinzin
Too fast for Cap? No

Too wide? So what?

Spiderman has never been able to "easily" strike Logan in the face with the exception of Secret wars or when Logan literally let him....
Damned right about that last part...

So wait, what's so obvious again? Oh right....

damn, you're right, that IS obvious.


Nice compilation.

Mr Master Junior Member

oops ... edit.