cap vs wolverine vs spider man

I agree with you. The suit really shouldn't have a much of an effect on his overall strength so I'd place him at around 20 tons.

And just to add I'd probably put DD just under Cap's level at around 800-1500 (yes I know thats a broad range)

i woudl not put dd to high he is probably 400lbs + up to 800lbs

i aked the handbbok writer mike fichera about a few things , one being how daredevil flipper that limo

my question ..........daredevil once lifted a limo or toppled it onto its side without much effort he cant be superhuman can he ?

mikes answer........Under times of extreme emotional duress, regular people in the real world have flipped cars over. Power of adrenalin. I wouldn't consider that his "strength level" - that was an extreme event..or another case of poor writing.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Im abit pissed off about that for a long time wolverine has been able to lift only 400Lbs now he's peak human

Wolverine is not peak human, he is enhanced human, beyond peak humans. Wolverine's max is kind of hard to guess since he's never really been in a position where he had to lift something under extreme duress. Cap and Spidey's max stress lead to a strength feat most time. Wolverine's extreme feats usually lead to a Healing Factor feat, not a strength feat.

But if Cap's MAX is 1 ton than I would guess Wolverine's is around 2 tons, especially since Claremont supports the 2 ton theory himself. If Wolverine was berserk however I would have to add another hundred pounds or so. You have to factor in that Wolverine produces a lot more adrenaline and other bodily chemicals than even Cap would due to his HF, so he should get a bigger boost off of emotional and physical stress than peak humans would.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cap was 800 DD was about 800 as well. But I can see cap going beyond 800 though, but a ton is superhuman.

Aaaaaaanyways, I believe the rules need an update, particularly with things like Wolverine's healing, it prevents the threads from coming to a conclusion, but then again that's part of what keeps the debate alive.

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Originally posted by riceroost
When was Wolverine's lift max 400 lbs??? That's just silly. I weigh 215 lbs. and I can bench about 350 lbs. and I'm not in that great a shape. Even when the New X-Men first fought the Juggernaut Wolverine hurled the 500 lb Colossus into Juggs hard enough to knock Marko over with relative ease. So that beats the 400 mark right there by 100 lbs and Wolverine still isn't trying. In Wolverine # 1 he lifts 7 grown men over his head with 1 hand and then chucks them through a wall. That's about a 1200 lb lift with a single hand. Without adamantium he chucked a full dumster across an alley with one hand. Best estimates are for a 1600 lb lift with one hand there too. Multiply that by 2 for his other hand and you have 3200 lbs. That's over 1.5 tons there, and remember he's still not doing max.

Wolverine is not peak human, he is enhanced human, beyond peak humans. Wolverine's max is kind of hard to guess since he's never really been in a position where he had to lift something under extreme duress. Cap and Spidey's max stress lead to a strength feat most time. Wolverine's extreme feats usually lead to a Healing Factor feat, not a strength feat.

But if Cap's MAX is 1 ton than I would guess Wolverine's is around 2 tons, especially since Claremont supports the 2 ton theory himself. If Wolverine was berserk however I would have to add another hundred pounds or so. You have to factor in that Wolverine produces a lot more adrenaline and other bodily chemicals than even Cap would due to his HF, so he should get a bigger boost off of emotional and physical stress than peak humans would.

btw dude i believe colossus is weighs over 500lbs , is comic book he is said to be a ton of meatal even if that was exaggeration he should be around 1000lbs if not more , not 500lbs ! 😠 there are 7ft wrestlers that weigh that much , a guy made from solid steel should be very heavy i also share this theory for the other huge powerhouse's weights such as juggernaut , hulk , thing tehy shoudl weight more than tehy are stated to be.

also i agree with your theory on wolverine's strength however .....my opinion......
wolverine posseses an unknown degree of superhuman strength and i think the 1 ton thing for cap is a bit wrong , cap coudl lift it if he exerted more than 100% of his potential and he was under stress , but without any stress he would be able to 2000lb in a gym with full effort and many beads of sweat

wolverine on the other hand would be able to do 1 - 1.5 tons in a gym at max effort and 2 ton with stress , this is my thnking so i could be wrong .

Originally posted by riceroost
When was Wolverine's lift max 400 lbs??? That's just silly.

Hey just calm down a sec. I dont know if its 400lbs exactly but I think thats what the Marvel RPG used to say. Futhermore if you look at what Marvel Universe used to say they said his strength was that of a human who engages in regual intensive exercise. Maybe not 400 but it aint 800.

Originally posted by riceroost
When was Wolverine's lift max 400 lbs??? That's just silly. I weigh 215 lbs. and I can bench about 350 lbs. and I'm not in that great a shape. Even when the New X-Men first fought the Juggernaut Wolverine hurled the 500 lb Colossus into Juggs hard enough to knock Marko over with relative ease. So that beats the 400 mark right there by 100 lbs and Wolverine still isn't trying. In Wolverine # 1 he lifts 7 grown men over his head with 1 hand and then chucks them through a wall. That's about a 1200 lb lift with a single hand. Without adamantium he chucked a full dumster across an alley with one hand. Best estimates are for a 1600 lb lift with one hand there too. Multiply that by 2 for his other hand and you have 3200 lbs. That's over 1.5 tons there, and remember he's still not doing max.

Wolverine is not peak human, he is enhanced human, beyond peak humans. Wolverine's max is kind of hard to guess since he's never really been in a position where he had to lift something under extreme duress. Cap and Spidey's max stress lead to a strength feat most time. Wolverine's extreme feats usually lead to a Healing Factor feat, not a strength feat.

But if Cap's MAX is 1 ton than I would guess Wolverine's is around 2 tons, especially since Claremont supports the 2 ton theory himself. If Wolverine was berserk however I would have to add another hundred pounds or so. You have to factor in that Wolverine produces a lot more adrenaline and other bodily chemicals than even Cap would due to his HF, so he should get a bigger boost off of emotional and physical stress than peak humans would.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wolverine does NOT lift that much, he is NOT superhuman... That's more than a car, where are people getting these numbers, and Claremont is bs. Marvel has them both listed at Peak or around 800, and yes Wolverine gets a small boost, but only because of his skeleton.

Arghhh you can see where this is going. Serioulsy though I think they've upgraded him now.....just went to Marvel.com it does not say he has superhuman strength.

Whoops... doublequote lol

He was always in range 4, but 2 tons is taking the piss just a little. I can even vouch for him holding heavy weights downward because his skeleton won't fall out of his socket, but meh. I get a bit passionate sometimes.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Whoops... doublequote lol

He was always in range 4, but 2 tons is taking the piss just a little. I can even vouch for him holding heavy weights downward because his skeleton won't fall out of his socket, but meh. I get a bit passionate sometimes.

I thought range 4 was 10 tons *scratches head* Anyway I think you said something like it's not or I cant remember.....oh nevermind.

800 to 2500 lbs, Range is very broad. Honestly where have you seen Wolverine that much stronger than Cap. My damn pickup truck weighs a half ton, Logan ain't picking up 4 of those, he would get the end of one when he's pissed off though.

dude i have explained this , wolverine lifts an elevator , wolverine lift a tree , wolbeirne lifts a big shark that looks like a great white which weigh 2000-4000lbs + , he throws colossus who is definately not 500lbs but heavier , he threw this guy that looked like a lizard i think it is dragonman who weighs a ton or two during a team up with black panther or summin ,i forgot .
this all indicates wolveine's superhuman strength

Originally posted by ankur29
dude i have explained this , wolverine lifts an elevator , wolverine lift a tree , wolbeirne lifts a big shark that looks like a great white which weigh 2000-4000lbs + , he throws colossus who is definately not 500lbs but heavier , he threw this guy that looked like a lizard i think it is dragonman who weighs a ton or two during a team up with black panther or summin ,i forgot .
this all indicates wolveine's superhuman strength

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
simply because he shows a showing or two higher than average doesn't mean we converge to that level.

That seems fair. What if it was consistent? Not debating im just trying to understand you're criteria

dude i honestly agree with you , but from reading comic boks every one has established that all hanbook are = fart ,

but when you see guys like daredevil flipping a car it changes your perspective on things ,nampr lifting submarines and ships wtf were those fools thinking placing him under 85 tons , i believe that spiderman can bench 20 tons + now and wolverine 1 tons at a gym , cap can do 1100 without any effort so i believe he can do 2000lbs with effort and wolverine 2200lbs(1 ton) with effort

and his bones can pop out the sockects,the tendons in a body connect bones to bones and the tendons are not adamantium ,it has been established taht they can be broken , yet it did not on those many occasions showing that he must of had some superhuman strength

Originally posted by ankur29
dude i honestly agree with you , but from reading comic boks every one has established that all hanbook are = fart ,

but when you see guys like daredevil flipping a car it changes your perspective on things ,nampr lifting submarines and ships wtf were those fools thinking placing him under 85 tons , i believe that spiderman can bench 20 tons + now and wolverine 1 tons at a gym , cap can do 1100 without any effort so i believe he can do 2000lbs with effort and wolverine 2200lbs(1 ton) with effort

and his bones can pop out the sockects,the tendons in a body connect bones to bones and the tendons are not adamantium ,it has been established taht they can be broken , yet it did not on those many occasions showing that he must of had some superhuman strength

It changes my perception on things when a writer goes against what he is listed to do by that much. Namor and Spiderman were always Superhumanly strong. And that lifting had to take some effort, and even if it didn't, going ALL the way up to lifting a car over your head is a bit silly, like I said, my pickup truck is big and it's half a ton, Cap lifting 4 of those would make me put the book down. And yes it is different with something as strength, because that is a numerical statistic and isn't inconsistent with showings, I can always go back and see definitely his lifting level.

Flipping a car and lifting one is totally two different things, and is possible at DD's strength. Andre the Giant did that.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That seems fair. What if it was consistent? Not debating im just trying to understand you're criteria

I agree. Flipping a car utilizies leverage, I almost flipped over a small car on my own so trust me when I say its not the same as lifting it. Wolverine though does have some showings which suggest his strength is a little more than enhanced. I don't worry too much about the numbers but I order them kinda like this

Daredevil
Captain America
Wolverine
Spider-Man

This is from weakest to strongest, and take note that the gap between Wolverine isn't a large one while the gap betwenn Spidey and Logan is pretty big

I could see him becoming a very mild superhiman while beserk, but not a whole lot more.

see

this is what it seems to be

daredevil 800lbs max effrot
captain america 2000lbs max effort
wolverine 2200lbs (1 ton) max effort
spiderman 20 tons +(max effort)