i do mean a tonne but i abbreviate it with ton ,cap has alwasy been stronger than daredevil , i said at maximum effort cap is that strong ,there is quite a big gap between uman perfection and olympic athlete , daredevil cannot lift 1100lbs with ease he had no super soilder serum to make his strength the peak a human can be, his physical condition is like a gold medal olympic athlete at most hence approximaely 800lbs.
quote marvel.com .............."Abilities
Daredevil possesses the strength, speed, agility, and endurance, not to mention acrobatic and gymnastic skills, of an Olympic-level athlete "
Originally posted by ankur29That's where I'm coming from, Cap is peak human, and so is DD, not to mention DD is more agile than Captain America, but a bit weaker. Furthermore by your logic it seems that Wolverine and Cap get a double in their strength boost, But Spiderman's only increases by 33%?
i do mean a tonne but i abbreviate it with ton ,cap has alwasy been stronger than daredevil , i said at maximum effort cap is that strong ,there is quite a big gap between uman perfection and olympic athlete , daredevil cannot lift 1100lbs with ease he had no super soilder serum to make his strength the peak a human can be, his physical condition is like a gold medal olympic athlete at most hence approximaely 800lbs.quote marvel.com .............."Abilities
Daredevil possesses the strength, speed, agility, and endurance, not to mention acrobatic and gymnastic skills, of an Olympic-level athlete "
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterObviously he does lift that much and I have the comics to prove it. The guy has lifted ofer 1/2 a ton with ONE hand and then THROWN that 1/2 ton of weight a damn good distance, all with relative ease.
Wolverine does NOT lift that much, he is NOT superhuman...
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWhere is there some magical rule that Wolverine can't lift a car??? We're getting these numbers from the comics obviously. It's not like I just pulled a random weight out of my ass.
That's more than a car, where are people getting these numbers,
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterClaremont is BS??? The guy that created every important detail about the character is BS??? The guy whose writing on the character is still considered the best is BS??? No, sorry. Claremont is a damn good source for info on the character since he y'know made the character what he is. I can't believe you would say that. That's just rediculous to the extreme.
and Claremont is bs.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI always see Cap listed as Peak Human. I rarely see Wolverine ever listed as Peak Human. I do see Wolverine listed as Enhanced human or even low level Superhuman every now and then, so again I'm not seeing your point here. He might get a small boost from the skeleton, but he's likely getting a larger boost from the crazy amount of adrenaline and other chemicals he has in his body when stressed. Tree as a baseball bat anyone?
Marvel has them both listed at Peak or around 800, and yes Wolverine gets a small boost, but only because of his skeleton.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterIf your truck only weighs a 1/2 ton Wolverine would chuck it one-handed, since, y'know he's done that already. 🙄 And he's done that without adamantium bones. 😄
800 to 2500 lbs, Range is very broad. Honestly where have you seen Wolverine that much stronger than Cap. My damn pickup truck weighs a half ton, Logan ain't picking up 4 of those, he would get the end of one when he's pissed off though.
Originally posted by ankur29Exactly.
dude i have explained this , wolverine lifts an elevator , wolverine lift a tree , wolbeirne lifts a big shark that looks like a great white which weigh 2000-4000lbs + , he throws colossus who is definately not 500lbs but heavier , he threw this guy that looked like a lizard i think it is dragonman who weighs a ton or two during a team up with black panther or summin ,i forgot .
this all indicates wolveine's superhuman strength
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He held an elevator which shows his bones don't fall out of his sockets.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterWho knows how fast he is? We do know he moves faster than human eyes can follow. I suppose you dont like that feat either, even though he's done it several times.
It's as bad as the "wolverine breaks the sound barrier" argument.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterHa! If DD can flip a car with normal human strength Wolverine should press one easily.
Flipping a car and lifting one is totally two different things, and is possible at DD's strength. Andre the Giant did that.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterDD should only be at the human peak for his size. Cap should be at human peak PERIOD in every way(As fast as an olympic sprinter, as strong as any 450 lb weight lifter, etc.) Wolverine should be BEYOND anything even remotely peak human since he is not HUMAN he is ENHANCED, not to mention he has an adamantium base to work with.
That's where I'm coming from, Cap is peak human, and so is DD, not to mention DD is more agile than Captain America, but a bit weaker.
And DD should not be more agile than Cap.
Wow, you bumped this old thread up again... I was hoping not to see it. Aaaaaaaanyways, most of this has been gone over, so I'll keep it brief and reply probably just once, because this is most likely going to be a circular argument. It's why you need logic in a debate and not a simple feat war, because it creates a circular/illogical argument. You're going to see it your way, and others will see it theirs, so I'll make my point that I was trying to make to begin with.
Originally posted by riceroostI never said you did, you obviously know your Wolverine, but the problem is Wolverine is listed around 800 (I know you're going to argue it), but my point was already established that I had no problem with characters going above the established weight, but in extreme circumstances, throwing 1000 lbs of a dumpster (which I doubt weighed that much) is a bit extreme and inconsistent with writers anyways.
Obviously he does lift that much and I have the comics to prove it. The guy has lifted ofer 1/2 a ton with ONE hand and then THROWN that 1/2 ton of weight a damn good distance, all with relative ease.
Where is there some magical rule that Wolverine can't lift a car??? We're getting these numbers from the comics obviously. It's not like I just pulled a random weight out of my ass.
Originally posted by riceroostClaremont. Yes, good ol' Claremont who had crazy things going on like Storm taking over the world, who turned many mature readers away from X-Gods to begin with. Not going to continue on this point though, because obviously you aren't going to miraculously see it my way.
Claremont is BS??? The guy that created every important detail about the character is BS??? The guy whose writing on the character is still considered the best is BS??? No, sorry. Claremont is a damn good source for info on the character since he y'know made the character what he is. I can't believe you would say that. That's just rediculous to the extreme.
Originally posted by riceroostI already said peak with Enhanced by skeleton, but he is listed as the best a human can be (actually as a man who engages in intensive exercise). And there needs to be a suspension of belief with these comic feats to begin with, this is no better than the time the Wolverine defenders argued Wolverine jumping 5 stories high.
I always see Cap listed as Peak Human. I rarely see Wolverine ever listed as Peak Human. I do see Wolverine listed as Enhanced human or even low level Superhuman every now and then, so again I'm not seeing your point here. He might get a small boost from the skeleton, but he's likely getting a larger boost from the crazy amount of adrenaline and other chemicals he has in his body when stressed. Tree as a baseball bat anyone?
Originally posted by riceroostI believe I said something about lifting Multiple trucks, and again this is an inconsistent feat and beyond the suspension of belief. But what's the point, if I say he's slower than xxx you'll only bring a feat up of him breaking the sound barrier.
If your truck only weighs a 1/2 ton Wolverine would chuck it one-handed, since, y'know he's done that already. 🙄 And he's done that without adamantium bones. 😄
Exactly
Originally posted by riceroost
1) A lot of people do think his bones could be pulled apart.
So now it's about what people think and not what the writers think? Why didn't that apply with his neck then?
Originally posted by riceroost
2) His arm was slightly bent for that feat, so he was offering resistance to the weight, and not just holding it.
Not the same as lifting it though. A lousy elevator couldn't be over a ton now could it? 😉
Originally posted by riceroost
3) Even if he was just holding it, that is REDICULOUS grip strength.
Or just silly writing, these guys are writers, not scientists after all. But anyways you aren't going to agree with me.
Originally posted by riceroost
Who knows how fast he is? We do know he moves faster than human eyes can follow. I suppose you dont like that feat either, even though he's done it several times.
Yea, for a humanoid body to move fast enough to be rendered invisible he would have to be moving several times the speed of sound. Now you see why I think it's rediculous, but fans will only continue to bring it up. Kinda where the debate hits the wall.
Originally posted by riceroost
Ha! If DD can flip a car with normal human strength Wolverine should press one easily.
Ha! Flipping something is more about leverage than anything as mentioned earlier. Wolverine couldn't break out of simple handcuffs without the proper leverage anyways, even though they are just thin pieces of steel.
And it wouldn't be easily, furthermore when has Wolvie been 10x stronger than DD?
Originally posted by riceroostPeak in the Marvel world is about 800 lbs strength, and slightly beyond an olympic sprinter. We already went what he is classified as though, and at best he is at the footstep of superhuman, and THAT is due to his healing factor.
DD should only be at the human peak for his size. Cap should be at human peak PERIOD in every way(As fast as an olympic sprinter, as strong as any 450 lb weight lifter, etc.) Wolverine should be BEYOND anything even remotely peak human since he is not HUMAN he is ENHANCED, not to mention he has an adamantium base to work with.
Originally posted by riceroost
And DD should not be more agile than Cap.
Well he seems to utilize it better.
is it just me or is wolverine slowly becomeing more powerful and more unkillable i mean now he can be blasted to nothing but bones with no flesh left and he'd still regenerate and be fine....before that used to be enough to kill him next thing ya know he's takeing on dooms day and fairng better than superman.....ohwell atleast it's not just focused on cap and spidy anymore
Originally posted by riceroost
DD should only be at the human peak for his size. Cap should be at human peak PERIOD in every way(As fast as an olympic sprinter, as strong as any 450 lb weight lifter, etc.)
Daredevil
Daredevil possesses the normal human strength of a man his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine should be BEYOND anything even remotely peak human since he is not HUMAN he is ENHANCED, not to mention he has an adamantium base to work with.
Wolverine
While Wolverine may be of an advanced age, he possesses the normal human strength of a man in his prime with his height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. While possessing the adamantium skeleton, Wolverine's strength was increased to the human maximum, making him capable of lifting (pressing) 800 lbs.
Originally posted by lando005
is it just me or is wolverine slowly becomeing more powerful and more unkillable
Their taking the piss and now hes 200 years old get the **** out of here. People are always messing around with Wolverine.
Originally posted by ankur29
lol , is the planet moving , black hole hadling superfeats gettin to you ? well in that case im also allergic ...........aaachooo!!!!!! 😘 😘 😆
Nah its just that it can be a bit lame sometimes. For example they had the guts to call a character Karate Kid.....c'mon man. Someone was reading a Green Lantern comic and I had my first look at Sinestro......a dick dasterdly look alike in pink spandex........apparently he is the DC verison of Thanos.
Marvel basicaly tends to have more attitude, whilst DC can be a bit geeky. Sometimes I feel like beating up DC and taking its lunch money (no ive never done anything like that before).
you still debating this (and even add an extra hero) whoau is obus that for good is captain america, daredevil, and spider-man they cant kill wolverine, and I dont like him, I like more spiderman and cap, but c'mon is like glactus vrs the punisher cmon be relistic (And i dont like wol, i like spd best, but c'mon he agaisnt wol, not winnin, and by the way I thnk the battle will end like this
Wolverine
Spiderman
America
Daredevil
Originally posted by magneto1992
you still debating this (and even add an extra hero) whoau is obus that for good is captain america, daredevil, and spider-man they cant kill wolverine, and I dont like him, I like more spiderman and cap, but c'mon is like glactus vrs the punisher cmon be relistic (And i dont like wol, i like spd best, but c'mon he agaisnt wol, not winnin, and by the way I thnk the battle will end like this
Wolverine
Spiderman
America
Daredevil
Originally posted by magneto1992If you see Wolverine ANYWHERE on Big G's level, then you are a fanboy beyond cure. And if you're so tired of the thread, why bump it?
you still debating this (and even add an extra hero) whoau is obus that for good is captain america, daredevil, and spider-man they cant kill wolverine, and I dont like him, I like more spiderman and cap, but c'mon is like glactus vrs the punisher cmon be relistic (And i dont like wol, i like spd best, but c'mon he agaisnt wol, not winnin, and by the way I thnk the battle will end like this
Wolverine
Spiderman
America
Daredevil