Originally posted by AlfheimWell it's to the best of their abilities.
Aww man I had that annual, you do know you're stuff!!! Yeah sure that show Spdiey's potential but to get that power had to be really MAD.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well the problem with Terrax is that he is super strong and has super reflexes so Cap should not be able to touch him.
Originally posted by Alfheim
People like the Thing and Hulk are very strong but not agile, Cap could only dodge them.
Much like Spiderman.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterbut the fact of the matter is that with 1 punch Spider-man cant kill captain america, it aint happening, i dont give a shit what logic says, Captain America takes punches from people over class 50 all the time.
If you are using those fights for valid evidence and seeing as cap isn't bulletproof you think he won't lose. Then you are being clearly biased. And yes, everyone knows that Spiderman pulls his punches. He has stealth mode too. So using comics as valid evidence all the time is incorrect since they aren't congruent with the rules 100%. I could simply pull examples of Spiderman beating firelord with his bare hands, someone dense enough to survive a black hole, and that would murder cap.Also while we're on this subject did you guys know that Spiderman ripped Iron Man 2020's armor? With his bare hands because he was pissed off?
And thats the bottom line...because King Kam said so.
Originally posted by King KAMThat's because it's a comic, and Cap won't die. Explain to me how he's logically (remember you need logic in a debate) taking a full hit (or a half hit) from Iron Man, a character who can lift over 20% of a million pounds and move faster than the speed of sound. (That rhymed).
but the fact of the matter is that with 1 punch Spider-man cant kill captain america, it aint happening, i dont give a shit what logic says, Captain America takes punches from people over class 50 all the time.And thats the bottom line...because King Kam said so.
He isn't bulletproof and these characters hit much harder than that.
Took me a while to get here but I made it. I won't focus this into a Cap vs Spider-Man fight, I'll make sure I include Wolverine too. Spider-Man wins. This is the kind of fight where Spider-Man can do well. Facing multiple opponents he can just go with his spider-sense and use his instincts to evade and land punches. Cap has a good shot here to use his mind to his advantage, but I doubt Spider-Man and Wolverine are gonna just sit back and wait for him to come up with a plan. Cap and Wolverine may decide to go after Spider-Man but that wouldn't accomplish anything. Spider-Man could just snap Wolverine's neck (yes he can do it, his neck is like beads on a chain meaning the beads can't be broken but the chain can be severed). As for Cap, Spider-Man has killed an accomplished fighter with one punch so I'm thinking he can at least KO Steve here.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterusing logic explain to me how and the hell iron man's suit works in the first place...
That's because it's a comic, and Cap won't die. Explain to me how he's logically (remember you need logic in a debate) taking a full hit (or a half hit) from Iron Man, a character who can lift over 20% of a million pounds and move faster than the speed of sound. (That rhymed).He isn't bulletproof and these characters hit much harder than that.
check, and mate
Originally posted by thedude1948I'm glad someone brought this up as I'd mentioned the heaviest lifting being 1,000 lbs before. This furthermore proves my point that MA users will use real world grounds when it suits their argument. But then argue against it when it doesn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Mendelson
Originally posted by King KAMThe MA fans basic argument, "logic has no place in comics".
using logic explain to me how and the hell iron man's suit works in the first place...check, and mate
Sorry this isn't a comic, but a comic debate, and if you aren't going to use logic, then there's no point of having one. Otherwise people wouldn't complain when guys like Colossus beats Magneto.
Try again. And like I said you'd be surprised to see how far science has brought us.
You know what I was thinking maybe we should find a way of making more accurate rules. Im not sure exactly how it would be done but the idea is to be able to get a rule and tell some one "read it and weep".
Ok I know this is getting circular but if we can find away to define what a person is capable of on this forum because it seems even those on spidey's side have a difference of opinion and criteria of what we should use to define a person's capabilities.
C-Master why dont you in you're own time try to list out what criteria you use to define capabilities. Then we could get another person bang some heads together then talk to the mods.
P.S. When you first said that Spiderman could be really powerful in some circumstances, probably the first example I thought of was the Iron Man of 2020......and I was praying you wouldn't pull it....Spiderman really ***** Iron Man up I thought it was a Superman comic.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Probably, he has been depicted as being able to benchpress 1100 with ease. So the absolute maximum would be a ton, but most likely 1500 lbs.
if it is with ease then 1500lbs is setting the limit a little low ,2000lbs or 1 ton seems more appropriate at max effort ,
how strong would wolverine be then at max effort?
how strong would spiderman be at max effort?
Originally posted by ankur29
if it is with ease then 1500lbs is setting the limit a little low ,2000lbs or 1 ton seems more appropriate at max effort ,how strong would wolverine be then at max effort?
Im abit pissed off about that for a long time wolverine has been able to lift only 400Lbs now he's peak human... 🙁
Originally posted by ankur29
how strong would spiderman be at max effort?
Dont feel like debating this anymore I think we should knock some heads togther and make some new rules.
Originally posted by ankur29
what do you mean 400lbs? he is 800lbs in the handbooks 😠
and tehy chat shyte so he should be stronger and his strength is superhuman 😠😠😠he should be 2 tons
Yeah but wasnt that quite recent? I remember in the late 80s and early 90s his strength level was of a human who takes regular intensive exercise.
Originally posted by ankur29
yeah thats bull , the recent handbooks say 800lbs
Grrr so they increased it. It never used to be 800Lbs 😠
Originally posted by ankur29
and logan is stronger than cap as his strength is superhuman not enhanced he would be class 2 tons if not more, thats about 4400lbs
Argggh! Well he never used to have superhuman strength..damn when is Cap gonna get an upgrade the Mu is leaving him behind! If Wolverine is superhuman how comes it says he can lift only 800lbs??
Originally posted by ankur29
i did not want to debate spidey's strength i want to know what it is at max effort
25 tons in his suit I guess.
Cap was 800 DD was about 800 as well. But I can see cap going beyond 800 though, but a ton is superhuman.
Aaaaaaanyways, I believe the rules need an update, particularly with things like Wolverine's healing, it prevents the threads from coming to a conclusion, but then again that's part of what keeps the debate alive.
i meant without the suit ,
logan has been 800lbs for ages
i say he si two ton beacause he lifted a tree like ultimate cap, he supported an elevator , lifted and threw a shark out of water ,(shark was huge and looked like a great white whom weigh 2000-4000lbs)
cap needs no upgrade i mean 1100lbs with ease is great
Originally posted by ankur29
i meant without the suit ,
I think 15 tons.
Originally posted by ankur29
logan has been 800lbs for ages
Arghh I swear he used to be 400lbs maybe im getting mixed up with the Marvel RPG.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cap was 800 DD was about 800 as well. But I can see cap going beyond 800 though, but a ton is superhuman.
What DD was never 400 lbs?????