the final hierarchy once and for all whos are the most powerful in marvel

Captain Marvel (as a child), Captain America, the Black Knight & Medusa enter through the "Siege Perilous", into the Marvel Omni-verse.

The entrance to the Omni-verse, which is called "the Siege Perilous"

The OMNI-VERSE


Merlyn and Roma oversee the Omni-verse and Betsy Braddock (Captain Britain's sister), is in training.

Merlyn is schooling Captain Marvel (the child) about "Cosmic Consciousness"

It seems Merlyn knows EVERYTHING that's happening in the Omni-verse

Roma even says. "Many believe my Father is the son of the devil"

And still Merlyn says, This is only a piece of FULL Omniscience

They exit and leave.

But Beyonder was everything there was inside the Marvel Multi-verse and outside it (Omni-verse). And he also had the power's of the writers (stated by Stan Lee) Would that mean he would equal a writer (God) in power?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But Beyonder was everything there was inside the Marvel Multi-verse and outside it (Omni-verse). And he also had the power's of the writers (stated by Stan Lee) Would that mean he would equal a writer (God) in power?

Remember though,

When Beyonder was these things, the Omni-verse didn't exist.

It was just One Multi-verse and the Beyond Realm.

TOAA and THOTU are the same in Power, but NOT Authority, which is why Thanos was manipulated even though he had the Power.

That whole thing about him being the "writer" I don't indulge to much, Beyonder was the most powerful being ever, for many reasons.

Beyonder was the Writers/God or Beyonder can do anything (What's the difference)

And for the Record, The Omni-verse is ALL the Universes in Marvel, and that's it, it has nothing to do with other companies.

But in terms of power wouldent you set HOTU with God and TOAA?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Remember though,

When Beyonder was these things, the Omni-verse didn't exist.

It was just One Multi-verse and the Beyond Realm.

TOAA and THOTU are the same in Power, but NOT Authority, which is why Thanos was manipulated even though he had the Power.

That whole thing about him being the "writer" I don't indulge to much, Beyonder was the most powerful being ever, for many reasons.

Beyonder was the Writer's/God or Beyonder can do anything (What's the difference)

And for the Record, The Omni-verse is ALL the Universes in Marvel, and that's it, it has nothing to do with other companies.

Well put

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But Beyonder was everything there was inside the Marvel Multi-verse and outside it (Omni-verse). And he also had the power's of the writers (stated by Stan Lee) Would that mean he would equal a writer (God) in power?

Just a quick thingy, it wasn't stated by Stan Lee.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But in terms of power wouldent you set HOTU with God and TOAA?

Yes, thats what I was trying to convey.

TOAA=God= THOTU (in Power, but NOT Authority)

Originally posted by manorastroman
1. TOAA
2. Living Tribunal/True Beyonders
3. Death/Phoenix Force/The Infinites
4. Eternity/Galactus (full power)/Abraxas
5. Lord Order/Master Chaos/Scarlet Witch
6. Celestials/Franklin Richards/Galactus
7. Hyperstorm/Korvac/The Watchers
8. Kosmos/Kubik/Shaper of Worlds
9. Onslaught/Alpha the Ultimate Mutant (as ever-evolving entities)
10. Oshtur/Hoggoth/Agamotto
11. Ego the Living Planet/In-Betweener/Atum the God-Eater
12. Set/Chthon/Shuma Gorath
13. Surtur/Stranger/Cyttorak
14. Skyfather
15. Dormammu/The Destroyer
16. Thanos/Elders of the Universe
17. Doctor Strange/Genis-Vell/Sentry
18. Silver Surfer/Quasar/Thor
19. Blackbolt/Adam Warlock/Drax
20. Magneto/God-Cable/Shaman X-Man

this is my list from the hierarchy debates that happened about a year ago.

Nice list.Where did you get it from?

Added 3 characters to the list: Roma, Wanda and Genis

On the "Current" tip: BASED on FEATS...

1. TOAA/GOD/HOTU (In Power, NOT Authority)

2. Living Tribunal

3. Infinity Gauntlet/Cosmic Containment Units (Potentially)

4. Ultimate Nullifier

5. Abraxas

6. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (the Multi-verse)

7. Infinites/Makers/Cosmic Containment Units (Unevolved Cosmic Cubes)

7. Roma with the Celestial Nullifier

7. Crazy Wanda

8. Atleza/Oblivion/Insane Genis-Vell

9. White Phoenix of the Crown/Eternity & Infinity/Entropy/Death

10. Rest of the Abstracts and so on...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Added 3 characters to the list: Roma, Wanda and Genis

On the "Current" tip: BASED on FEATS...

1. TOAA/GOD/HOTU (In Power, NOT Authority)

2. Living Tribunal

3. Infinity Gauntlet/Cosmic Containment Units (Potentially)

4. Ultimate Nullifier

5. Abraxas

6. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (the Multi-verse)

7. Infinites/Makers/Cosmic Containment Units (Unevolved Cosmic Cubes)

7. Roma with the Celestial Nullifier

7. Crazy Wanda

8. Atleza/Oblivion/Insane Genis-Vell

9. White Phoenix of the Crown/Eternity & Infinity/Entropy/Death

10. Rest of the Abstracts and so on...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually the thread starter said everything included, Pre-retcons and all.

Still though, if it were current, this list wouldn't do.

What is Phoenix doing next to LT and above the Infinites, IG and the Abstracts?

On the "Current" tip: BASED on FEATS...

1. TOAA/GOD/HOTU (In Power, NOT Authority)

2. Living Tribunal

3. Infinity Gauntlet/Cosmic Containment Units (Potentially)

4. Ultimate Nullifier

5. Abraxas

6. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (the Multi-verse)

7. Infinites/Makers/Cosmic Containment Units (Unevolved Cosmic Cubes)

8. Atleza/Oblivion

9. White Phoenix of the Crown/Eternity & Infinity/Entropy/Death

10. Rest of the Abstracts and so on...

😘

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And Pre-retcon Molecule man and Beyonder?

*?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Again: You said that the Beyonder was the most powerful characrer Marvel ever created, and you equal HOTU to TOAA, where would Beyonder be on your list?

Wut up T.

This list is actually ONLY considering Current characters, that's why it has no Pre-retcons in it.

1. TOAA/GOD/HOTU (In Power, NOT Authority)

2. Living Tribunal

3. Infinity Gauntlet/Cosmic Containment Units (Potentially)

4. Ultimate Nullifier

5. Abraxas

6. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (the Multi-verse)

7. Infinites/Makers/Cosmic Containment Units (Unevolved Cosmic Cubes)

7. Roma with the Celestial Nullifier

7. Crazy Wanda/Insane Genis-Vell

8. Atleza/Oblivion

9. White Phoenix of the Crown/Eternity & Infinity/Entropy/Death

10. Rest of the Abstracts and so on...

Originally posted by Mr Master
Added 3 characters to the list: Roma, Wanda and Genis

On the "Current" tip: BASED on FEATS...

1. TOAA/GOD/HOTU (In Power, NOT Authority)

2. Living Tribunal

3. Infinity Gauntlet/Cosmic Containment Units (Potentially)

4. Ultimate Nullifier

5. Abraxas

6. Multi-Eternity/Multi-Infinity (the Multi-verse)

7. Infinites/Makers/Cosmic Containment Units (Unevolved Cosmic Cubes)

7. Roma with the Celestial Nullifier

7. Crazy Wanda

8. Atleza/Oblivion/Insane Genis-Vell

9. White Phoenix of the Crown/Eternity & Infinity/Entropy/Death

10. Rest of the Abstracts and so on...

Thanks for the info Mr Master...I've been wondering about Wanda and Roma for quite a while...so thanks for clearing it up..

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Thanks for the info Mr Master...I've been wondering about Wanda and Roma for quite a while...so thanks for clearing it up..

Yea I was forgetting all about them.

I'm still in the process of dissecting the series (House of M),

Wanda REMADE the 616 Universe more than once.

"Her ability to altar probability got Super charged"

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again" (more than once she did it)

"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takers place"

"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"

Celestial Nullifier

The Celestial Nullifier can erase Universes

"A few more seconds...and Brane (Universe) 616 will be no more"

Roma protects the Multi-verse, and will not hesitate to sacrifice a Universe

Roma gives Universe 616, 48 hours before she'll erase it if....

"the breach is not closed, I must act, your Entire Plane of being... will be ended"

So technically if Wanda can remake, reshape, destroy, the 616 universe with nothing more then a subconcious thought, then if she were to consciously put all her will and thought into it, could she not reshape, alter, destroy, the megaverse or omniverse?

Originally posted by Jesse7
So technically if Wanda can remake, reshape, destroy, the 616 universe with nothing more then a subconcious thought, then if she were to consciously put all her will and thought into it, could she not reshape, alter, destroy, the megaverse or omniverse?

It makes sense.

But they only gave us that much on panel, anything more is speculation.

The series is better than I thought, still reading it meticulously though.

Mr Master you just anger me for some reason? (no offense) just confused because you have done nothing to me! 😕

Originally posted by Broly92
Mr Master you just anger me for some reason? (no offense)

Balthasar Gracian said,

"success, breeds hate"

Originally posted by Broly92
just confused because you have done nothing to me!

That's cause I'm an 😇 who harms none.