NBA discussion thread

Originally posted by Smasandian
Bad environment my ass.

He created that environment himself, nonbody else.

Im sorry, but he was getting paid 98 million dollars to play for the raptors. He should be able to take some criticism for that type of cash.

He was faking an injury.
Carter never went to the basket for two season and relied on taking long jump shots or threes but as soon as he got traded to the Nets, he can go to the basket and start scoring 30 points a game....how is this is possible for a guy who's knee was all screwed up.

It doesnt matter if the team isnt going nowhere, be a man, take the ****ing money that they paid you to play, and play. Ask for a trade if you want, but still play 100%. Be like Jalen Rose. He didnt want to play for the raptors, but he still played like he can.

Overall, all the shit that happened was all created by Carter.

How do you know he was faking injury? Did you just follow what the media was saying? Did you personally go up to Vince and ask him? How do you know?

I understand that Vince didn't play 100% all the time in toronto, but you can't blame him for everything. Bitter raptor fans only look at the negative things he's done. In his first few years, he was the reason raptor fans existed. Before he came, "toronto raptors? Who the hell are they?" After giving the raptors an identity and carrying them into the playoffs and almost to the east finals, you have to consider the positives he did. yeah, he sucked to force a trade and played less than 100% in his later years, but in his earlier years, he played 130%. he played incredibly. Personel changes and bad decisions by the organization led to poorer results, which led to an unhappy carter. the guy is impatient, and he doesn't want to remain in a sucky team. think about it, the more time he spends in a team that's going nowhere, the less oportunities he's getting to reach his ultimate goal.

you're wrong. When he went to NJ, he didn't start going to the rim a lot more. In fact, he's shooting more jump shots in NJ than he did in toronto. He's just making more of them, because he's focusing more. thats how he got around 27 points per game. As soon as he was traded to NJ, he sat out a few games before he played off the bench in his first game against detroit. that proves that he wasn't faking injury.

I don't think he faked the injury, I think it was a coincident that he was able to play like that when he joined the Nets.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110

you're wrong. When he went to NJ, he didn't start going to the rim a lot more. In fact, he's shooting more jump shots in NJ than he did in toronto. He's just making more of them, because he's focusing more. thats how he got around 27 points per game. As soon as he was traded to NJ, he sat out a few games before he played off the bench in his first game against detroit. that proves that he wasn't faking injury.

How about when he said he was never going to dunk again? Pretty much, I just hate how Vince gave up on his team and his fans when it was down. Vince used to be one of my favorite players, but I hated him ever since he became a selfish b!tch.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110
How do you know he was faking injury? Did you just follow what the media was saying? Did you personally go up to Vince and ask him? How do you know?

I understand that Vince didn't play 100% all the time in toronto, but you can't blame him for everything. Bitter raptor fans only look at the negative things he's done. In his first few years, he was the reason raptor fans existed. Before he came, "toronto raptors? Who the hell are they?" After giving the raptors an identity and carrying them into the playoffs and almost to the east finals, you have to consider the positives he did. yeah, he sucked to force a trade and played less than 100% in his later years, but in his earlier years, he played 130%. he played incredibly. Personel changes and bad decisions by the organization led to poorer results, which led to an unhappy carter. the guy is impatient, and he doesn't want to remain in a sucky team. think about it, the more time he spends in a team that's going nowhere, the less oportunities he's getting to reach his ultimate goal.

you're wrong. When he went to NJ, he didn't start going to the rim a lot more. In fact, he's shooting more jump shots in NJ than he did in toronto. He's just making more of them, because he's focusing more. thats how he got around 27 points per game. As soon as he was traded to NJ, he sat out a few games before he played off the bench in his first game against detroit. that proves that he wasn't faking injury.

How do you know he wasnt faking an injury, did you go up and talk to him yourself?

I know he did all that stuff for Toronto, but thats doesnt matter. He was getting paid to play 100% all the time. Its not alright to only play at full on for the first part of your career and when you get the big bucks start playing half ass. How would Nets fans like it if he started doing what he did in TO....probably not very much.

His ultimate goal is selfish.

Excuse me but that wasnt the first time Carter was injured as an Raptor. Im talking all three years before he left when he was "injured"

Overall, Carter is whiny selfish prick who shoved everything he got from TO (he was treated as an hockey player, for example Tanjot) and then complained about the reception.

Originally posted by DanZeke25
You don't know what 100% means? face-plain

I was asking was if he thought it was 100% Vince Carters fault.

Poor Jay Williams. He got cut by the Nets today.

Originally posted by Smasandian
How do you know he wasnt faking an injury, did you go up and talk to him yourself?

Dude, you can't use that as an excuse to accuse him of faking it. if both sides don't know whether he faked it or not, the benefit of the doubt goes to the argument that he didn't fake it. it's the way it is in all debates or lawsuits. its like accusing a man of murder, and having someone tell you, "I can't convict him, because you haven't proved to me that he actually commited the crime," and then you saying, "Well, how do you know he didn't commit the crime?"

Originally posted by Smasandian
I know he did all that stuff for Toronto, but thats doesnt matter. He was getting paid to play 100% all the time. Its not alright to only play at full on for the first part of your career and when you get the big bucks start playing half ass. How would Nets fans like it if he started doing what he did in TO....probably not very much.[/B]

What do you mean none of it matters? That alone could support the argument that toronto was the reason carter sucked. he played his heart out, then the team decided to split, then here's carter alone on this abandoned island with hundreds of fans booing him and accusing him for faking injuries. there is a reason he wanted out. there is a reason he sucked and whined and played half ass in toronto, while not in NJ.

Originally posted by Smasandian His ultimate goal is selfish.

Excuse me but that wasnt the first time Carter was injured as an Raptor. Im talking all three years before he left when he was "injured"

Overall, Carter is whiny selfish prick who shoved everything he got from TO (he was treated as an hockey player, for example Tanjot) and then complained about the reception. [/B]

So you're saying that carter wanting to win a championship is selfish? please o please don't tell me you mean that. guys like alonzo mourning who hitchhike to supreme teams and lay their asses on the bench while the superstars do all the dirty work are selfish, but carter came in and exploded. he carried the load for the team, and he desperately wanted to get back to the playoffs to have the slightest chance of getting a ring. something that the raptors were ages away from doing back then. i can understand your anger from his abrupt departure, but money's not the only factor. im sure his salary means a lot to him, but i bet there are many players out there who wouldn't want a handsome raise to play in Atlanta.

Originally posted by Myth
Poor Jay Williams. He got cut by the Nets today.

yeah, i didn't think his bond with the nets would end so quickly. i wish that guy nothing but the best during his healing process.

Dude, Carter got paid to his job, that job is too play.

Half assing your job is wrong. No matter how much you want to leave, ****ing play. Thats not what Carter did. He gave up in the last two season.

If Carter wanted to to win championships, why did he sign an huge lengthy contract?

Wanting to win championships is a sad excuse for half assing in the court, which he did.

Who cares, the guy's a legend, does it really matter, the Raptors were nothing without him.

its true that he is good
but as Smasandian says
"half assin it" is totally wrong

Originally posted by Smasandian
Whats the rolling smiley doing to that dancing banana?

It is at waist height and the it is dancing...

watevr dude
pretty funny though

Originally posted by Smasandian
Dude, Carter got paid to his job, that job is too play.

Half assing your job is wrong. No matter how much you want to leave, ****ing play. Thats not what Carter did. He gave up in the last two season.

If Carter wanted to to win championships, why did he sign an huge lengthy contract?

Wanting to win championships is a sad excuse for half assing in the court, which he did.

Carter signed the huge contract right after his third year (the year that the raptors were at their peak and were literally one shot away from making the conference finals). and then, things started to tumble. if he had to sign the extension 2 or 3 years after that year, i don't think he would have agreed.

don't get me wrong, carter should be ashamed of himself for half-assing it when his team needed him the most. and i understand why you are angry with carter and how he got paid a handsome salary while not giving it his all. if j-kidd did the same thing with me, i would also be upset. but at the same time, you shouldn't say it was 100% carter's fault, because it wasn't. as i said, carter did all those things for a reason. if the organization went the right way and had not made so many bone-headed moves, carter may not have half-assed it so much.

yes, saying that he wanted to win a championship is indeed somewhat of a lame excuse, because everyone pretty much wants to win a championship, but the fact is that carter wanted to win a ring that much more that he would put himself through this hellish journey just to get a chance of getting one.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110
but the fact is that carter wanted to win a ring that much more

I don't know if it shows that he wants it that much more, or if it just makes him that much more childish.

you can be childish and still want it much more. carter just wanted a realistic opportunity to get it. he was definately far from it in toronto, and while other more "mature" players would suck it up and pretend to enjoy being there, carter decided to be frank and just show how he was feeling.

Originally posted by RecSpecs110
you can be childish and still want it much more.

I know. But what I'm saying is that his behavior doesn't prove that he wanted it more than other superstars, it 'may' just mean he is more childish. Through words, it seems to me that KG wants one desperately and everybody knows it, but just because he doesn't throw a childish tantrum doesn't mean he wants it less.

carter just wanted a realistic opportunity to get it. he was definately far from it in toronto, and while other more "mature" players would suck it up and pretend to enjoy being there, carter decided to be frank and just show how he was feeling.

My point is that his lack of maturity, which is obvious, is why I don't like him. He got his feelings across, but in doing so he made many dislike him.

im not saying KG wants it less, but some people say carter is simply a selfish player with no heart, with which i disagree. all im saying is that despite carter's childish behavior, he wants a ring no less than other superstars.

So the way to go is too not play your best, complaing about the team complaining about him not playing his best, complaing about the fans booing him for not playing his best just to win an championship.

Thats bullshit.

Thats all his fault.

He could of just played his best, and asked for an trade like everybody else does.

he did actually ask for a trade, and when his wish wasn't getting granted quick enough, he then started to suck really bad (when he averaged like 15 ppg), but the point is that no, it was not all his fault. im not explaining it anymore. the fact is, i understand what you're saying, but i just don't agree with you, and we might as well leave it at that.

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