Heathenry

Didnt Scandanvian countries have to actually stop practising heathenism?

I was under the impression that one of the main reasons why the Norse people became Christain was because it was made an agenda to make the pagans Christain.

Im pretty sure that Thor was seen as an opponent of Jesus in Norway

Originally posted by anaconda
in the end it became illigal

Well there you go then. What was that all about? Also one of the reason why Icleand accepted Christanity as its religon because of economic reasons ie we wont trade with those dirty heathens. If Christanity wasnt enforced why did that happen?

Originally posted by anaconda

the process was allready going well due to missionaries and Vikings trading(not pillaging) down Europe and the British Isles came back " reborn"for those christian warlords who saw it as their task to enforce christianity upon those who didnt believe their way, everything non chritstian was an opponent and needed to get rid of. As of Norway christians and those who believed in Norse mythology lived side by side with no problems at all, and many Norse mythology believers actually converted into chrisitanity hearing these nice stories of Kviti Krist (white Christ) All pictures they saw seemed to be of an illuminated christ thus the "nick" name Kviti Krist.
When those who actually had claim to the throne had religious ambition with Norway, besides their political and military strategical goals, tried to enforce christianity upon the pople here. What they met was that even all ready christians took up weapons to fight for the right to choose what to believe, the christian "crusaders" didnt count of meting resistance in those who believed the same as they, it all ended with Crusader kings lost, still they kind of won since more people turned from the old ways of believing. But the enforcing of christianity was just one of the reason they faced opposition here

Wellll we both recognise not all Heathens were forcibly converted but if everything was going well..why was Thor seen as an oppoent of Jesus? I think their is a drawing on stone which shows Thor having a tug of war with Jesus. Why did some priests of Thor consider killing missionaries?

The overall picture looks like that Chrisanity was forced onto the heathen people but not all Christains were bad. As you stated not all Heathens were forcibly converted for example Erik the Reds sone become Christian by choice also some Heathens wanted to worship Jesus alongside the gods. You also have to bear in mind when I mean "force" I dont just mean physical. Christains are tryint to "force" Creatonism down our throats as well and you can see from some sagas that some heathen people really really really did not like the missonaries for example one guy was going to convert but the missionary told him that his ancestors were in hell.

The general picture looks like their were good Christains and bad ones, but it seems like the majority of Christains were trouble makers. To be quite honest I cant say for sure wether its a majority but ive read more negative things about the Christains then good things, furthermore most Abrahamic faiths tend to be pushy in one form or another even today being pushy and intrusive is part of their history.

why was Thor seen as an oppoent of Jesus?

Why did some priests of Thor consider killing missionaries?

also some Heathens wanted to worship Jesus alongside the gods

The general picture looks like their were good Christains and bad ones, but it seems like the majority of Christains were trouble makers.

ou can see from some sagas that some heathen people really really really did not like the missonaries for example one guy was going to convert but the missionary told him that his ancestors were in hell

Originally posted by anaconda
Thor was about cracking heads, party all night then out to fight again.

Is this the reason your giving for Thor being the major opponent of Jesus, beacuse your wrong. Thor does kill Giants and drink but if your going to put him into that stereotypical category you are wrong. 🤨

Originally posted by anaconda

priest of Norse mythology functioned very much like the native Americans medicine men......well they (missionaries)spread gossip and condemed the old ways. Actions like this always affected someone high ranked area leader/kings his family or members of the priests family who also held strong positions in the society. One of the worst crime towards the Norse was gossip, it meant death to the one spreading gossip

What the hell has that got to do with anything? The reason why the priests didnt like the missionaries was because they thought they were taking their culture away. Furthermore the preists in the end decided not to kill them in the end all they did was challenge the missionaries to make Jesus turn up, while the priests of Thor waited for Thor to turn up. If gossip was punsihable by death like you said the preists would have outright killed them. Furthermore I dont even think any Priets killed any missionaries they just hated their guts most of the battles were against people like Olaf (as far as I know)

Thor was mainly the god of the common people so basically they were at the bottom if you were talking about followers of Odin then you might have a point. Furthermore its not just the preists it was the people in general, for example one female follower said that Thor had challenged Jesus to one on one combat. Not only that you ahve the example of the man who was going to convert but was told his ancestors were he in hell so the general picture painted of the missionaries were that they were ****heads.

Originally posted by anaconda

actually very wide spread, in fact even after converting to christianity they still kept up with the old customs, hell even today some of the Norse marking days are still marking days here

Yeah when was it widespread? Im pretty sure when they made heathenism illegal it was widespread then. I get the impression if it wasnt for the missionaries heathenism would still be around today...well it is but not so few people.

Originally posted by anaconda

the common christian was good, a victim of circumstance. It was many of the leaders of the christian church and their puppets that was the rotten apples, driven by greed

Well they're were not all bad.

Originally posted by anaconda

first of all the missionary with their new message became a threat to the structural hierarchy that already existed , even though the Norse had democratic ideas it was still the rule of the strong ones. And how do you think people who lived a certain way for generations after generation take the messages from strangers that their ways are bullocks....today that would be considered racism

Yes but the followers of Thor were common people they were at the bottom of the ladder if anybody is going to benefit from a change its them. This could apply more to followers of Odin.

Is this the reason your giving for Thor being the major opponent of Jesus, beacuse your wrong. Thor does kill Giants and drink but if your going to put him into that stereotypical category you are wrong

The reason why the priests didnt like the missionaries was because they thought they were taking their culture away

I dont even think any Priets killed any missionaries they just hated their guts most of the battles were against people like Olaf (as far as I know)

Yeah when was it widespread? Im pretty sure when they made heathenism illegal it was widespread then. I get the impression if it wasnt for the missionaries heathenism would still be around today...well it is but not so few people.

Yes but the followers of Thor were common people they were at the bottom of the ladder if anybody is going to benefit from a change its them. This could apply more to followers of Odin

Originally posted by anaconda
That was the Viking way,

If you mean Viking as in the raiders and the beserkers then you would be correct this behaviour does apply to them but if you are refering to the Norse people as a whole this incorrect, especially the followers of Thor who were mainly farmers, yes occasionally they would have to be called to fight but professional soldiers and beserkers were mainly followers of Odin. 😐

You might know that the whole reason why people moved to Iceland was to escape violence orginally from Harold and there is a poem which talks about the horror of the heath slayings. So to say that fighting and drinking was the Norse way is a sweeping generalisation.

Originally posted by anaconda

thats what they believed that if they die in battle they go to Valhall where they fought wars at day, partied at night.

Your making sweeping generlisations again. If you worshipped Odin you would go to Valhalla, if you worshipped Thor you would go to Thruderheim. Some people in Iceland beleived that when you died you would go and live in the mountains other acounts show that people beleived that when you died you would go to Hell (The realm of Hela, you probably know this).

Originally posted by anaconda

In Norse mythology was Tor the most populare of the gods,son of the head god Odin which was the most feared,(son of god huh) master of weather swinging Mjølner (ther hammer) creating thunder and lightning,the only god to not own a horse, incredible strong, always there when needed in battle against the Jotuns (giants).
Many stories in Norse about Tor, many of them of a humerous kind, but when all comes down to it. Tor was a war god (and fertility god),

Actually most practising Heathens dont even consider Thor to be the god of war, a battle god in the sense that people would ask him for help during battle, but most heathens consider Odin to be the god of war. Hell most people that worshipped Thor werent even soldiers so you can see why heathens think that. Yes you can say Thor is a war god but again you are making sweeping generlisations Thor is also the patron god of law.

Originally posted by anaconda

and the Norse created a warrior cult, of course their biggest of heros amongst the god would be an formidable opponenet to the christian Jesus (godson vs godson)

Huh? The only warrior cult I can think of are the beserkers who worshipped Odin and that was banned.....so again that shows you that fighting was not the way of the vikings just for some people.

Originally posted by anaconda

which was covered by first of all the missionary with their new message became a threat to the structural hierarchy that already existed

I already explained this. If you are at the bottom of the hierachy you dont care about the structure. This could explain why Bilal was one the first pagans to accept Islam because he was a slave Islam offered him a highier status. The people of Thor were not slavs but they were common people and had nothing to lose from a change in structure.

Originally posted by anaconda

they were responsible for many slayings, also forcing missionaries/messangers of christ back on pillages to be left behind....

Whoa, whoa, whoa were are you getting this from? Are you sure your not talking about Viking Raiders, are you sure your not gettiing them mixed up with beserkers? Because there were people who raped and pillaged but they did it to everybody for example they raided monasteries not because they were Christian but because they had gold.

Originally posted by anaconda

and his name was OLAV not Olaf, dont know why it has been translated into that Olav is Norwegian, Olaf is Danish, Olof is Swedish. This one was Norwegian so Olav( just to be correct about which King we talk about cause the Danes and Swedes also had Kings with that name jsut their version of it)

That is irelevant. You get yourself a copy of the sagas and the name would be spelt Olaf. You know who im talking about, I know who im talking about. At the end of the day if I decide to call Thor Gofar which is a Swedish name as long as we both know who were talking about it it doesnt matter.

Your the one who is making sweeping generalisation about the heathen gods and people and you want to make a big deal about spelling.

Originally posted by anaconda

it was widespread and many monks and bishops complained and started to punish people (christians) for participating in the old ways, Norway is full of runic tales of such all around the country, making it widespread in Norwegian scale Most common example is the use of the crusifix as a neckless, or Tors hammer depending on who asked, crude made jewelry counted for both

Again...I think you are talking about the Viking Raiders and beserkers.......I could be wrong.....

Originally posted by anaconda

it was for everybody, as mentioned earlier Tor was the most populare among the gods this they know because of numerous carved three figures found in graves

Dont see what that has to do with anything...if your at the bottom you tend not care wether the hierachy changes because you have nothing to lose.

You might know that the whole reason why people moved to Iceland was to escape violence orginally from Harold and there is a poem which talks about the horror of the heath slayings. So to say that fighting and drinking was the Norse way is a sweeping generalisation

Your making sweeping generlisations again. If you worshipped Odin you would go to Valhalla, if you worshipped Thor you would go to Thruderheim. Some people in Iceland beleived that when you died you would go and live in the mountains other acounts show that people beleived that when you died you would go to Hell (The realm of Hela, you probably know this).

Whoa, whoa, whoa were are you getting this from? Are you sure your not talking about Viking Raiders, are you sure your not gettiing them mixed up with beserkers? Because there were people who raped and pillaged but they did it to everybody for example they raided monasteries not because they were Christian but because they had gold.

Actually most practising Heathens dont even consider Thor to be the god of war, a battle god in the sense that people would ask him for help during battle, but most heathens consider Odin to be the god of war. Hell most people that worshipped Thor werent even soldiers so you can see why heathens think that. Yes you can say Thor is a war god but again you are making sweeping generlisations Thor is also the patron god of law

That is irelevant. You get yourself a copy of the sagas and the name would be spelt Olaf

Your the one who is making sweeping generalisation about the heathen gods and people and you want to make a big deal about spelling

Again...I think you are talking about the Viking Raiders and beserkers.......I could be wrong.....

Dont see what that has to do with anything...if your at the bottom you tend not care wether the hierachy changes because you have nothing to lose.

Sól tér sortna sígr fold í mar hverfa af himni heiðar stiornor geisar eimi við aldrnara leikr hár hiti við himin siálfan.

Originally posted by anaconda
they migrated to Iceland to start over, they didnt agree to live under the rules the King of Norway set so it was either to fight or to move, many chose the latter.

Yeah they moved because they didnt like Violence that the point! So therefore to say that fighting and drinking is the way of the vikings is incorrect. As I stated before ritual combat and beserking were banned as well! So you are wrong fighting and drinking was not the way of the vikings...for some people yes.

Originally posted by anaconda

The Norse was a warrior sect

What the hell are you talking about? This is absolute nonsense. The followers of Thor were mainly not warriors but they did not not have a warrior sect.

Originally posted by anaconda

even the farmers shared that, you know those who was considered Vikings was the ones who lived by the coast, yet the inlanders shared the same mythological belief and if they got seriously ill/sick they killed them self so they died by blood to go to Valhall.

Are you making stuff up again? If they got sick they would kill themselves? Were you getting this from?

Originally posted by anaconda

Tor was a god for all Norsemen, farmers, fishers, traders, soldiers, old, young,

Thor was mainly the god of the common people. Odin was mainly the god of the noblemen.

Originally posted by anaconda

what ????? Odin was the head god, they worshiped the different god for different reasons, benefitial reasons. The Norse picture of the world was divided into Åsgard (the home of the gods) , Utgar and Jotunheimen home of Jotun(troll, giants etc....... and the dark forces)and in between Åsgard and Utgar you found Midgard the place of humans
Just like christianity where you believe in god and jesus so it is with Norse mythology you believed in the entire picture.

Look the point is you that you said fighting and drinking was the culture of the vikings, that is wrong because that does not apply to all people. You also said that when they died they would go to Valhalla this is not true for all people, read H.R.Ellis Davidson book The Road to Hell and see what it says.

http://www.runewebvitki.com/Road_To_Hel.pdf

In examining the evidence for the conception of the future life in Norse literature, we find that the conclusions which we reach are essentially the same as those forced on us by a study of funeral customs. There still appear to be two main conceptions about the fate of the dead; either they enter the realm of the gods, or they continue to dwell within the earth itself

Note: The realm of the gods is not specifically Valhalla that could be anywhere else as well.

Also read the gods and myths of Nothern Europe and read the section on Thor.

Originally posted by anaconda

I know how to read my own languages there are many tales of this, that they aint been translated into English well I couldnt care less, still Inscriptions of these tales you`ll find on stones set up to tell the tale, and them you find a lot of around Norway.

I dont care I want some proof. The evidence dictates that if missionaries were killed they were mainly done for three reasons.

1. Money, monks and monasteries had gold.
2. Because they felt like it, some heathens were just violent.
3. They were scared they were trying to take their culture away

Now...some people may have done it because of hierachy but i want some evidence because so far you've been making alot of generalisations.

Originally posted by anaconda

Tor -god of thunder also a role as wargod and fertility god.
God of LAW = Forsete

Yes Forsete is the god of law, so is Thor. Go read the chapter on Thor in H. R Ellis Davidsons Gods and Myths of Nothern Europe. Tell an Icelandic heathen that Thor is not the god of law they'll laugh in your face. I dare you, go to Iceland or email them or whatever talk to a priest and tell them Thor isnt the god of law. Thor being the god of law is part of Icelandic history! 😬

Originally posted by anaconda

to be technical his name really were Óláfr Haraldsson, in modern Norwegian Óláfr is OLAV because to misspell someones name aint polite its rater rude

1. Olav isnt really correct either. Its just the modern version of the old norse name.
2. Your going off on a tangent and dealing with irrelvant points.
3. Go and call up all the other scholars that have wriiten Olav as Olaf and stop picking on me.
4. I pray to Thor , your just Norwgian you've been making sweeping and insulting generalisations about one of my Gods, if anybody should be offended its me.

Originally posted by anaconda

yes you are wrong Iwasnt talking about those who sailed Viking

Yes and that still proves my point. There were lots of Vikings who were not into violence in particular the people of Thor and the Icelanders (who mainly worhsipped Thor anyway). Hell see what Thor says to Odin in the Lay of harbard where he criticises Odin for fighting for the sake of it.

Originally posted by anaconda

point is the society was build up like that one could advance upwards the hierarchy ladder

Yes so if your at the bottom of the ladder you dont care what happens to the structure do you??? Serioulsy are you just going to ignore what im telling you? Hell you dont have to be heathen or like it but if your going to lecture me on something I feel passionatly about back up what you're saying.

Oh yeah and heres some stuf about Thrudrheim..or Thrudvangr

http://home.earthlink.net/~asatru/thor/gylfaginning.html

High (Odhinn) said: 'Thor is the most outstanding of them; he is known as Asa-Thor (Thor of the Aesir) or Oku-Thor (Driving Thor). He is strongest of all the gods and men. His realm is a place called Thrudvangr, and his hall is called Bilskirnir. In that hall are five hundred and forty apartments. It is the biggest building tht has ever been built. Thus it says in Grimnismal:

Yeah they moved because they didnt like Violence that the point!

What the hell are you talking about? This is absolute nonsense. The followers of Thor were mainly not warriors but they did not not have a warrior sect.

Are you making stuff up again? If they got sick they would kill themselves? Were you getting this from?

Thor was mainly the god of the common people. Odin was mainly the god of the noblemen.

Look the point is you that you said fighting and drinking was the culture of the vikings

they enter the realm of the gods, or they continue to dwell within the earth itself

I dont care I want some proof. The evidence dictates that if missionaries were killed they were mainly done for three reasons.

1. Money, monks and monasteries had gold.
2. Because they felt like it, some heathens were just violent.
3. They were scared they were trying to take their culture away
Now...some people may have done it because of hierachy but i want some evidence because so far you've been making alot of generalisations.

Olav Tryggvasson tried to christen Norway around year 990 and he did so by force, after he was killed in 995 Christian influenced was largely decreased, meaning the old ways won back and many of the priest and monks was either killed or like the majority sent back to either Faeroe Island or Scotland, Isle Of Man ,England, Ireland and so on.
Some priest lived in areas-were the majority had converted so they got to stay under the protection of the chieftans of that area

Tell an Icelandic heathen that Thor is not the god of law they'll laugh in your face

I pray to Thor , your just Norwgian you've been making sweeping and insulting generalisations about one of my Gods, if anybody should be offended its me.

There were lots of Vikings who were not into violence in particular the people of Thor and the Icelanders (who mainly worhsipped Thor anyway). Hell see what Thor says to Odin in the Lay of harbard where he criticises Odin for fighting for the sake of it.

Thrudrheim..or Thrudvangr it is called Trudvang

Faðer várr, sá er er á himnum.
Verðe navn þitt heilagt.
Til kome ríke þitt.
Verðe vile þinn,
svá á jòrð sem á himnum.
Brauð várt hit helga gef þú oss
í dag ok hvern dag.
Fyrirgef oss várrar sakar,
svá sem vér fyrirgefom várom sòku-nautum
(Guð Dróttenn,) lát eigi hinn arga djòfol
leiða oss í pínsl med sér.
Frels oss frá illu,

Originally posted by anaconda
they moved cause they were either forced too or choose not to live under the rules set, or lost power, also the fact that Iceland was viewed upon as a Freestate

...and again one of the main reasons why they moved because they didnt want to fight....therefore you cannot classify the Norse people as a warrior sect.

Originally posted by anaconda

Honor ment everything to the Norse even towards unbeatable odds

Thats funny the Icelanders decided to leave instead of fighting didnt they, doesnt sound like the warrior sect your describing. 😬

Originally posted by anaconda

you were expected to fight. warrior sect refers to dying by blood, like really sick people asked to be slain in order to enter Valhall, so they were a religious warrior sect following Norse mythology

That could apply to the warriors but not everybody....and not everybody that died in battle went to Vahalla.

http://www.runewebvitki.com/Road_To_Hel.pdf (Chapter III The Conception of the future Life)

Freyja allots the seats in her hail, Folkvangr, to whom she will, and that she has half the slain that fall each day, while half belong to Othin.

adversary of Thor, about whose identity there is no complete agreement, taunts him by the remark that Othin has the jarls who fall among the slain, but Thor the race of thralls

Heres the link to the reference
http://home.earthlink.net/~wodensharrow/harbards.html

Harbard:
I was in Gaul: I egged on to battle
Boar-helmets and forbade them peace.
To Odin belong the earls who are slain,
But Thor gets the kin of thralls.

ie Thor gets the common people that die in battle.

Originally posted by anaconda

if they got terminal ill/sick they often asked kinsmen to slay them for the reasons said above

Prove it give me a source and an author! This may apply in some cases but I have not seen any evidence showing that it is widespread. Furthermore you didnt just get to the gods by being slain in battle...

http://www.runewebvitki.com/Road_To_Hel.pdf (Chapter III The Conception of the future Life)

If you died unmarried:

Snorri tells us that Gefion is attended by all those women who die unmarried;

If you drowned:

The third goddess to be connected with the dead is Rán, the wife of Ægir, the god of the sea. Eyrbyggja Saga (LIV) tells us that if drowned men attended their own funerals it was looked on as a sign that Rán had received them well.

Originally posted by anaconda

it evolved to that Tor became the favorite to farmers and slaves because Tor was rather simple god easy to understand but still Norse mythology was for everybody,

Hes not a simple god...go and do some reasearch.

Originally posted by anaconda

Odin was the head god, Tor was another of many gods in that mythology. Even the ones of lowest rank was free to pay homage to Odin, but they picked a favourite in Tor, only the brave came to Valhall, women and those of lower rank came to Hel, unless they died in battle.

http://www.runewebvitki.com/Road_To_Hel.pdf (Chapter III The Conception of the future Life)

This odd story of the family who went in twos and threes ‘cheerfully and gladly to Othin’ reads like a parody or misunderstood echo of the tradition of dying by fire already discussed, which, as we have seen, appears to be connected with the conception of some kind of future life with Othin in a Valhöll which was not merely a paradise for warriors who fell in battle.

Originally posted by anaconda

now it was what they sought, their reward going to Valhall
thus the wish to die by blood, if you didnt you didnt enter the realm of the gods

Nonsense see my above quotes.

Originally posted by anaconda

As long as the new belief didnt become a threat to the Norse Mythology or
number 2 is a valid one , but basically it was because they felt attacked by this new religion and fought back the only ways they knew, and that was either to kill or to deport..
Nr 1 well they didnt have sanctuaries in Norway like monasteries and such in the beginning of the Viking era, most of the so called missionaries was usually priests and bishops who accompanied power full Warlords back form expeditions who had turned to christianity.

I just want some prrof that indicates that the Christains were killed because they messing up the hierachy. 😐 Like I said that may be the case for some people but it seems illogical for the common people to do it.

Originally posted by anaconda

Olav Tryggvasson tried to christen Norway around year 990 and he did so by force, after he was killed in 995 Christian influenced was largely decreased, meaning the old ways won back and many of the priest and monks was either killed or like the majority sent back to either Faeroe Island or Scotland, Isle Of Man ,England, Ireland and so on.
Some priest lived in areas-were the majority had converted so they got to stay under the protection of the chieftans of that area

Well...ok I think that happened because of what Olaf did it was a backlash.....which is what I was saying

Originally posted by anaconda

iceland came about when Norse mythology was about to die out, still Gods evolved and got new tasks over time, many scholared language researcher claim they found evidence in really old runic carvings for Tor was the head god before this part was taken over by Odin, but in Norse mythology Tors main task was god of thunder and in Norwegian thunder is called TORden, the wind and fertility (as in crops growth ) and yeah law

Well you got that right!

Originally posted by anaconda

so I insulted a fantasy figure huh? oh my

Thats not even the point.

Originally posted by anaconda

Vikings was reserved for those who went across the sea for trade, military expeditions, and exploring expeditions so if they were not into violence they wouldn't have been part of being a Viking cause even on trade and exploring expeditions they were ready for trouble

Yeah but im talking about the Norse people in general.

Originally posted by anaconda

Thrudrheim..or Thrudvangr it is called Trudvang

Whatever lots of heathens spell it Thudrheim or Thrudvangr. 🙄

Originally posted by anaconda
Faðer várr, sá er er á himnum.
Verðe navn þitt heilagt.
Til kome ríke þitt.
Verðe vile þinn,
svá á jòrð sem á himnum.
Brauð várt hit helga gef þú oss
í dag ok hvern dag.
Fyrirgef oss várrar sakar,
svá sem vér fyrirgefom várom sòku-nautum
(Guð Dróttenn,) lát eigi hinn arga djòfol
leiða oss í pínsl med sér.
Frels oss frá illu,

1Whos the author?
2.What sagas is it from?
3.Wheres the link?
4. Stop trying to save face. No I cant translate that but that doesnt change the fcat you have said alot of stuff that is incorrect.

...and again one of the main reasons why they moved because they didnt want to fight....therefore you cannot classify the Norse people as a warrior sect

Thats funny the Icelanders decided to leave instead of fighting didnt they, doesnt sound like the warrior sect your describing.

That could apply to the warriors but not everybody....and not everybody that died in battle went to Vahalla.

I was in Gaul: I egged on to battle
Boar-helmets and forbade them peace.
To Odin belong the earls who are slain,
But Thor gets the kin of thrallsf

Prove it give me a source and an author! This may apply in some cases but I have not seen any evidence showing that it is widespread. Furthermore you didnt just get to the gods by being slain in battle...

Hes not a simple god...go and do some reasearch.

I just want some prrof that indicates that the Christains were killed because they messing up the hierachy. Like I said that may be the case for some people but it seems illogical for the common people to do it.

Yeah but im talking about the Norse people in general.

1Whos the author?

Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Ok I think im done here. Please stop making things up, please try and keep and open mind and listen to people instead of just arguing as for this.....

Originally posted by anaconda

want another different translation of it

Ive heard that that the site where you got that translation is crap. Lets see what everybody else has to say..

http://home.earthlink.net/~wodensharrow/harbards.html

Harbard:
I was in Gaul: I egged on to battle
Boar-helmets and forbade them peace.
To Odin belong the earls who are slain,
But Thor gets the kin of thralls.

http://www.normannii.org/lore/icelandic/poetic_edda/index.html
24.
I was in Gaul:
I egged on to battle
Boar-helmets
and forbade them peace.
To Odin belong the earls
who are slain,
But Thor gets the kin of thralls.

http://books.google.com/books?id=dwFk82wzkkwC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=lay+of+harbard&source=web&ots=3dXr5q-nc2&sig=VuNhsOPBLbIbZWsIDtPU6ehPGzs#PPA59,M1

Harbard said:
"I was in valland waging war goading the princes to grant not truce.
Odin clamis the earls who fall on the field, Thor only thralls."

http://toohuman.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53&Itemid=2

I was the cause of war in Valland, the land of slaughter. I set princes at each other’s throats. I thwarted peace.’

Thor looked at the ferryman. He listened; his brow was created in thought.

‘After they’ve fallen in the fight,’ shouted Harbard, ‘the nobly born journey to Odin. But Thor, he caters for a great gang of thralls.’

http://www.ealdriht.org/harbarth.html
HARBARD: I was in Gaul: I egged on to battle Boar-helmets and forbade them peace. To Odin belong the earls who are slain, But Thor gets the kin of thralls.

http://www.runewebvitki.com/Road_To_Hel.pdf
adversary of Thor, about whose identity there is no complete agreement, taunts him by the remark that Othin has the jarls who fall among the slain, but Thor the race of thralls

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/poe08.htm
"In Valland I was, | and wars I raised,
Princes I angered, | and peace brought never;
The noble who fall | in the fight hath Othin,
And Thor hath the race of the thralls."

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I could wrong..but something tells me I got the most accurate translation.

Furthermore you quote doesnt even indicate that only warriors that die in battle go to Valhalla anyway..all it says is that the followers of Odin are cool and the followers of Thor suck.

all it says is that the followers of Odin are cool and the followers of Thor suck

Var eg i Valland
og vigferd fylgde,
eggja upp hermenn,
men aldri dei samde.
Odin eig jarlar,
som jarn feller,
men Tor eig træleslaget
Norwegian version
and this is how I would have translated it

I travelled Valland
and in battle participated
I taunted princes/earls/lords
never peace negotiaded
Odin gets the earls
that fell like heroes
while Thor gets the kin of slaves

which actually is disgrading what Tor gets after all he (Harbard) is taunting Tor in this Hårbardsljod

Originally posted by anaconda
thats exactly what the verse say in its original stand

Var eg i Valland
og vigferd fylgde,
eggja upp hermenn,
men aldri dei samde.
Odin eig jarlar,
som jarn feller,
men Tor eig træleslaget
Norwegian version
and this is how I would have translated it

I travelled Valland
and in battle participated
I taunted princes/earls/lords
never peace negotiaded
Odin gets the earls
that fell like heroes
while Thor gets the kin of slaves

which actually is disgrading what Tor gets after all he (Harbard) is taunting Tor in this Hårbardsljod

What are you arguing about now? All you are doing is proving me correct. All I said was the translation YOU quoted said that the followers of Thor sucked, it made no refernce to were people went when they died.

All the other sources and even you verfied that Thor gets the common people that die in battle while Odin gets the nobleman......so there you go you were wrong, not everybody that dies in batlle go to Valhalla.

I stopped learning old norse but im going to start again but im thinking of just learning modern icelandic then going to old norse.

Is this the orginal?

Óðinn á jarla, Odin gets the earls .....
þá er í val falla, that fall in battle
en Þórr á þrælakyn." Thor gets the thralls

YOU quoted said that the followers of Thor sucked

not everybody that dies in batlle go to Valhalla.

I stopped learning old norse but im going to start again but im thinking of just learning modern icelandic then going to old norse.

Yes in fact that above quote is old norse as far as I know.

Odinn is Odin. Jarls is earl. a can be translated as to get. falla means fall.... . the word val is to do with beings slain ir valkyrie choose of the slain or valknut knot of the slain....so this bit probably means...

Óðinn á jarla, Odin gets the earls .....
þá er í val falla

Odin gets the earls that fall in battle

en Þórr á þrælakyn

Thor gets the thralls..with praelakyn meaning thrall. Porr is obvously Thor.

en Þórr á þrælakyn