Originally posted by usagi_yojimboWrong. Remember the statements regarding the mote and the beam. Also, you are not the Lord, so, your last quote is in error if it is meant to suuport you correcting others. Christ was never a lay person, so referencing him as support for you correction of others is also in error. Also, Christ stated that he who is without sin should cast the first stone, and Christ was without sin, so he was capable of correcting others.
A very prideful, egotistical, and incorrect statement above.
This is the same rationale - used against Jesus when he preached to the masses. The Pharisees did not want to acknowledge Jesus as the son of God - due to the fact that they considered him a *lay* person(for he was only a carpenter's son) - to them - he was not as educated/versed/or did not carry as much earthly authourity regarding the scriptures as themselves. Jesus would also consistently correct them regarding their misrepresentations of the scriptures(often times - willingly misinterpreted, in order to boost their egos - as well as power base).Correction is something that can be received from anyone - for we are all sinners. As a Christian, If I have commited any sin, then I do not care who corrects me regarding my sinful behaviour, just so long as I have been informed by someone that I have sinned - so I can repent of it. I'll admit, it initially doesn't feel good when corrected - by anyone, but as one grows in their faith - they learn to appreciate all forms of correction. Remember as it is written in the bible -
"My child, don't turn away or become bitter when the LORD corrects you. The Lord corrects everyone he loves, just as parents correct their favorite child--"
Originally posted by Regret
Wrong. Remember the statements regarding the mote and the beam. Also, you are not the Lord, so, your last quote is in error if it is meant to suuport you correcting others. Christ was never a lay person, so referencing him as support for you correction of others is also in error. Also, Christ stated that he who is without sin should cast the first stone, and Christ was without sin, so he was capable of correcting others.
Umm..I never claimed to be Christ - nor did I claim to have his authourity. However - with all of us being *sheep* under the same flock, we are commanded to watch over one another -- or as Christ so eloquently puts it - we are commanded to "Love one another." As referenced in my prior verse, *correction* is a form of love.
Those who *love* Christ - will understand and appreciate the necessity of loving correction from their peers(which includes everyone on this earth - for all have sinned, and all are considered *lay* persons from Christ's perspective) - despite being initially offended by any such correction. For as it is written "He who refuses correction despises his own soul, but he who listens to reproof gets understanding(Proverbs 15:32)" - and it is also written "Be careful. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him(Luke 17:3)."
In addition - as spoken to Eziekel(by God) - If we are given any knowledge of our brother's sin by God, and do not inform him of his sin with this knowledge - then we will indeed be judged and punished by God for this.
Eziekiel 3:18 When I tell the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Originally posted by usagi_yojimboBut you used Christ as an example supporting your right to judge, or using your terminology "correct", others.
Umm..I never claimed to be Christ - nor did I claim to have his authourity. However - with all of us being *sheep* under the same flock, we are commanded to watch over one another -- or as Christ so eloquently puts it - we are commanded to "Love one another." As referenced in my prior verse, *correction* is a form of love.Those who *love* Christ - will understand and appreciate the necessity of loving correction from their peers(which includes everyone on this earth - for all have sinned, and all are considered *lay* persons from Christ's perspective) - despite being initially offended by any such correction. For as it is written "He who refuses correction despises his own soul, but he who listens to reproof gets understanding(Proverbs 15:32)" - and it is also written "Be careful. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him(Luke 17:3)."
In addition - as spoken to Eziekel(by God) - If we are given any knowledge of our brother's sin by God, and do not inform him of his sin with this knowledge - then we will indeed be judged and punished by God for this.
Eziekiel 3:18 When I tell the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.
The key term in your references being "sin". Letting someone know they are sinning is much different than correcting them.
Originally posted by Regret
But you used Christ as an example supporting your right to judge, or using your terminology "correct", others.The key term in your references being "sin". Letting someone know they are sinning is much different than correcting them.
The example used was not meant to compare myself to Christ, I apologize if it came across that way. The example was meant to show you that *correction* is something that is considered *loving* - and as those who follow Christ, we are commanded by him to correct or inform one another - when we have sinned. Again - *correction* and *judgement* are two different things. *Correction* has a positive connotation to it, while judgement has a negative one.
If the statement I made was truly *judgemental*, then I would have attached some form of punishment along with the correction. I did not do this - I merely stated that your opinion was in err.
*Correction* is something that all Christians(and all individuals for that matter) should take with humility, as well as with great thanks - seeing as how many times such correction, can save one from experiencing very grave consequences - if they had never received it.