Chick Tracts and the Bible why the discrimination?

Started by Nellinator39 pages

Originally posted by Marchello
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[B]*["The writers of the Old Testament did not call God their rock..."]

***Yes, they did...to wit:
(1)"He is the ROCK, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he" [Deuteronomy 32:4].
(2)"There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any ROCK like our God" [1 Samuel 2:2].
(3)"Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my ROCK; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit" [Psalms 28:1].
(4)"For who is God save the LORD? or who is a ROCK save our God?' [Psalms 18:31].
(5)"The LORD is my ROCK, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower" [Psalms 18:2].

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*[...I am not saying..."]

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*["...Furthermore, I did not call Catholic tradition..."]

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(Continued) [/B]

I have already proven that those words do not mean rock, except for the case in Deuteronomy 32:4 because I haven't researched it. Even if the words all meant rock it wouldn't matter because I still believe God to be MY only rock of salvation. I have not inferred otherwise.

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*["...There is a big difference between tradition and the traditions of man...sadly..."]

***The Protestant Church maintains that the Bible ALONE is intended by God to be the source of doctrinal truth (2 Timothy 3:16). The Catholic Church, however, says, "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God..." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 97.)

The Catholic Church reasons thus:
(1)"The apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them ttheir own position of teaching authority." (paragraph 77)
(2)"This living transmission, accomplished through the Holy Spirit, is called tradition..." (paragraph 78)
(3)"Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence." (paragraph 82)

The Bible speaks about Tradition. Some verses speak FOR tradition and others speak AGAINST it. Of course, the CONTEXTS are different and carry different meanings. For example:
(1)FOR Tradition...2 Thessalonians 3:6...2 Thessalonians 2:15...and 1 Corinthians 11:2
(2)AGAINST Tradition...Matthew 15:3-6...Mark 7:8-9...Colossians 2:8

The Bible is FOR Tradition where it supports the teachings of the apostles [2 Tessalonians 2:15] and is consistent with biblical revelation.
Yet, it is AGAINST Tradition when it "transgresses the commands of God" [Matthew 15:3]. By Jesus' own words, Tradition is NOT to transgress or contradict the commands of God. In other words, it should be in harmony with biblical teaching and NOT OPPOSE IT in ANY way.

It is not enough to simply say that Sacred Tradition is EQUAL to Scripture based upon the decree of the Catholic Magisterium. Like any spiritual teaching, I must compare it to the Bible. In other words, do the teachings of the Catholic church that are derived through tradition transgress the commands of God?

When Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees in Matthew 15:1-6, He reprimanded them for NOT understanding God's word. They were appealing to the Tradition of the elders [i.e., those who had passed down ORAL and WRITTEN tradition]. Jesus, on the other hand, exposed their error by CITING SCRIPTURE. Whatever might be said about this passage...at least one thing must be observed: The Tradition of the religious leaders was SUBJECT TO the Word of God. Are the religious leaders of the Catholic Church EXEMPT from SUBJECTION TO the WORD of GOD? And likewise, is their Sacred Tradition also EXEMPT? Absolutely NOT.

Where the Protestants would interpret Tradition in light of Scripture, it seems that the Catholic Church does just the OPPOSITE. Consider the following: "The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it. 1. Be especially attentive 'to the content and unity of the whole Scripture'...2. Read the Scripture within 'the living Tradition of the whole Church.'...3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith." (paragraphs 111, 112, 113, 114).

It is number 2 that is the main concern here. What does it mean to read Scripture "within the living Tradition of the whole Church?" If Scripture is "within the living Tradition," then Tradition encompasses Scripture. In other words, it is the tradition of the Church that interprets Scripture. This is in CONTRADICTION to the Word of God spoken by Jesus in Matthew 15:1-6.

Some object and say that the Pharisees didn't have apostolic AUTHORITY and SUCCESSION that was ordained by the apostles as does the Catholic Church and, therefore, Matthew 15:1-6 cannot be used to nullify Sacred Tradition.

But the issue in Matthew 15:1-6 is NOT succession of authority...but the traditions of men being used in OPPOSITION to the truth of the Word of God. Essentially, the Pharisees were seeing the Word of God "within" their Sacred Tradition. The Catholic Church [like the Pharisees of old] has perpetuated the SAME error. Jesus, in contrast to this, cited the Word of God to judge their traditions.

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We're not talking about Catholics and their view on tradition. We are talking about traditions of man and scriptural tradition. Half of what you wrote is off-topic.

*[I have already proven that those words do not mean rock, except for the case in Deuteronomy 32:4 because I haven't researched it..."]

***You are a LIAR and have proved NOTHING. Too, you do not understand the simplest things in the Word of God for you are UNREGENERATE and know NOT God that you might be saved.

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*[...Even if the words all meant rock it wouldn't matter because I still believe God to be MY only rock of salvation. I haven't inferred otherwise."]

***You speak with a forked tongue. On the one hand, you DENY that God is the ROCK even though the Scriptures DECLARE He IS...and say, on the other hand, that it doesn't matter if all the words meant ROCK...that He is YOUR only ROCK even though you DON'T really believe He is the ROCK. Clearly you are CONFUSED or on DRUGS.

I seriously suggest that you see a doctor because I suspect that you have mental problems.

Marchello

We're not talking about Catholics and their view on tradition. We are talking about traditions of man and scriptural tradition. Half of what you wrote is off-topic.

***Nah...I'm not off-topic...you're brain dead.

Marchello

*Nah...I'm not off-topic...you're brain dead.

***ADDENDA: I addressed the Catholic view of Tradition because most of what you believe about Tradition coincides with the Catholic view...being the great Catholic apologist that you are.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
[B] *Nah...I'm not off-topic...you're brain dead.

***ADDENDA: I addressed the Catholic view of Tradition because most of what you believe about Tradition coincides with the Catholic view...being the great Catholic apologist that you are.

Marchello [/B]

Your going to hell, My father and I is going to taunt mercilessly at you as you get raped by Satan.

Originally posted by JesusTheChrist
Your going to hell, My father and I is going to taunt mercilessly at you as you get raped by Satan.

Oh! JesusTheChrist be forgiving for once. 😆

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*[I have already proven that those words do not mean rock, except for the case in Deuteronomy 32:4 because I haven't researched it..."]

***You are a LIAR and have proved NOTHING. Too, you do not understand the simplest things in the Word of God for you are UNREGENERATE and know NOT God that you might be saved.

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*[...Even if the words all meant rock it wouldn't matter because I still believe God to be MY only rock of salvation. I haven't inferred otherwise."]

***You speak with a forked tongue. On the one hand, you DENY that God is the ROCK even though the Scriptures DECLARE He IS...and say, on the other hand, that it doesn't matter if all the words meant ROCK...that He is YOUR only ROCK even though you DON'T really believe He is the ROCK. Clearly you are CONFUSED or on DRUGS.

I seriously suggest that you see a doctor because I suspect that you have mental problems.

Marchello [/B]


Declaration: Marchello ought to learn to use the quote function.

Statement: Marchello cannot refute Nellinator's rebuttals.

Conclusion: Marchello arguement is erroneous.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Declaration: Marchello ought to learn to use the quote function.

Statement: Marchello cannot refute Nellinator's rebuttals.

Conclusion: Marchello arguement is erroneous.

***And, of course, like your friend [Nelliator} you are full of it...that is why you are at the bottom of the toilet bowl and appropriately called "FeceMan".

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***And, of course, like your friend [Nelliator} you are full of it...that is why you are at the bottom of the toilet bowl and appropriately called "FeceMan".

Marchello

Priceless.

Originally posted by Marchello
***And, of course, like your friend [Nelliator} you are full of it...that is why you are at the bottom of the toilet bowl and appropriately called "FeceMan".

Marchello

***Marchello is a f.ag.

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*[I have already proven that those words do not mean rock, except for the case in Deuteronomy 32:4 because I haven't researched it..."]

***You are a LIAR and have proved NOTHING. Too, you do not understand the simplest things in the Word of God for you are UNREGENERATE and know NOT God that you might be saved.

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*[...Even if the words all meant rock it wouldn't matter because I still believe God to be MY only rock of salvation. I haven't inferred otherwise."]

***You speak with a forked tongue. On the one hand, you DENY that God is the ROCK even though the Scriptures DECLARE He IS...and say, on the other hand, that it doesn't matter if all the words meant ROCK...that He is YOUR only ROCK even though you DON'T really believe He is the ROCK. Clearly you are CONFUSED or on DRUGS.

I seriously suggest that you see a doctor because I suspect that you have mental problems.

Marchello [/B]

Sel'a and zur do not mean rock. How many times must I reiterate it? If it was false you could disprove. You read the English translation and saw the word rock. That is not scripture that is an incorrect translation. Refute it, or you are only proving yourself to be in ignorance of what Scripture actually says. Again, I reiterate, God is my only rock. The OT does not say that He is, but I believe Him to be. That is, He is the "horn of my salvation". I believe that in conjunction with the fact that Jesus is the only way to the Father. Peter lead the church as he was commissioned by the Lord Himself as I previously proved. He is the rock that the church is built on, but Peter is not the rock of salvation or faith. Apparently you cannot discern the difference.

Your attempt at a personal attack is a sin. I forgive you, but I think you need some repentance as well.

Then you try and call me brain dead? That is both a sin and scientifically incorrect. And you were off-topic. You claim to be Christian, but now you are being a hypocrite. Jesus wouldn't do it. Neither should you.

And finally, I am not a Catholic apologist at all. I defended no Catholic doctrine. That Peter is the rock that the church is built on is supported by Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Eastern Catholics and most Protestant groups.

Originally posted by Marchello
***And, of course, like your friend [Nelliator} you are full of it...that is why you are at the bottom of the toilet bowl and appropriately called "FeceMan".

Marchello


Statement: FeceMan has been lambasted more severely by Urizen.

Extrapolation: Marchello has just been owned.

Marcello's gonna burn in Hell ! hahhaa! 😆

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
[b]Marcello's gonna burn in Hell ! hahhaa! 😆 [/B]

But you don't believe in hell.

What is worse is that he will reincarnate without changing his point of view.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But you don't believe in hell.

Reading Marcello's rant is Hell.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is worse is that he will reincarnate without changing his point of view.

What is worse is that he will reincarnate.... period.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Reading Marcello's rant is Hell.

That is why I don't read much of his posts.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
What is worse is that he will reincarnate.... period.

Yes, he will be back until he gets it (what ever it is) right.

He's not going to reincarnate.

Originally posted by FeceMan
He's not going to reincarnate.

Well, that is not what I believe.