Chick Tracts and the Bible why the discrimination?

Originally posted by Marchello
***The Bible is God's Word. But some of the interpretations derived from it are not.

Even if this statement was correct, the problem is knowing rather you are following the correct interpretation.

Originally posted by Marchello
There are many cults and "christian" groups that use the Bible claiming their interpretations are correct. Too often, however, the interpretations not only differ dramatically but are clearly contradictory. This does not mean that the Bible is a confusing document. Rather, the problem lies in those who interpret and their spiritual condition.

How are you in a position to judge other groups of Christian when you are a part of one of them? From my point of view, all Christians are the same.

Originally posted by Marchello
Siiners are spiritually DEAD and, as such, are INCAPABLE of interpreting God's Word. The body, mind, will, and emotions are effected by sin and make interpretive accuracy IMPOSSIBLE.

All people are sinners according Christianity. That means you are also a sinner. Therefore you cannot interpret god’s word.

Originally posted by Marchello
When a sinner is REDEEMED by Jesus Christ [i.e., born again...John 3], the Holy Ghost comes and resides IN him and he passes from DEATH to LIFE IN Christ. Then ONLY can he interpret the Bible because he is BORN a SECOND time and becomes a "new creation" in Christ. Jesus said that the Father would send the Comforter [John 14:26] in His place and the Comforter [i.e., Holy Ghost] would TEACH the Christian ALL things and bring to REMEMBRANCE whatsoever Christ has said to us.

Here’s the problem, I don’t think you are “redeemed” by Jesus. The reason I say that is because if you were a follower of Jesus and were filled with the Holly Spirit, the divine nature God would manifest its self in your life. I should be able to see in your writing, but all I see is anger and condemnation. So because you are not saved, there is no way you could understand the bible, according to your way of thinking.

Originally posted by Marchello
BOTTOM-LINE: The unredeemed CANNOT interpret the scriptures because they are spiritually DEAD and have NOT the Spirit of God IN them. Without the Spirit of God they CANNOT know the things of God and, as such, are DEAD in sin and on their way to PERDITION.

I have seen that statement used to destroy people. When I was a Christian, I learned; the idea that the truth was hidden is a mystic cult idea. It is used to cover up the fact that no one understands the true nature of God. You cannot find God in a book, not even the bible.

Originally posted by Marchello
And, yes, there is ONLY ONE interpretation of the Bible...for there is ONLY ONE way to God and that is THROUGH Jesus Christ the Lord: "For there is ONE God, and ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" [1 Timothy 2:5].

Marchello

But is it unknowable.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I don't know - those theists who make out Atheists must be terribly sad creatures without direction or hope in one breath then in the next they are expressing such disgust in all things "human" - "humans, every inclination is for evil, so undeserving, so unworthy, we should be thankful God cares, because we don't deserve nothing never".

Seriously if it wasn't for the whole faith part they'd almost be Nihilists.

Well that's obvious. Atheists have to look at humanity's greatest and most positive aspects because that's all they have. Theists obviously don't place their hope and emotional, personal, physical and spiritual investment in many things outside of God because, and here's the shocker, they believe God exists 🙄

Whilst a Theist without their belief might be a Nihilist, an Atheist has to say that there are positive aspects and look for virtue and loving in humanity, because they don't believe in the God that many Theists find these virtues in ✅ Otherwise the Atheist's would have to be Nihilists.

Originally posted by willRules
Well that's obvious. Atheists have to look at humanity's greatest and most positive aspects because that's all they have. Theists obviously don't place their hope and emotional, personal, physical and spiritual investment in many things outside of God because, and here's the shocker, they believe God exists 🙄

Whilst a Theist without their belief might be a Nihilist, an Atheist has to say that there are positive aspects and look for virtue and loving in humanity, because they don't believe in the God that many Theists find these virtues in ✅ Otherwise the Atheist's would [B]have to be Nihilists. [/B]

Not much, merely that I think the statement that "If many theists didn't have a God, they'd be nihilists" is a redundant argument, because the counter argument is that by a theists standards all atheists probably should be nihilists because they don't believe in a a life giving God ✅

I just felt the original statement was a tad silly ✅

Originally posted by willRules
Well that's obvious. Atheists have to look at humanity's greatest and most positive aspects because that's all they have. Theists obviously don't place their hope and emotional, personal, physical and spiritual investment in many things outside of God because, and here's the shocker, they believe God exists 🙄

Whilst a Theist without their belief might be a Nihilist, an Atheist has to say that there are positive aspects and look for virtue and loving in humanity, because they don't believe in the God that many Theists find these virtues in ✅ Otherwise the Atheist's would [B]have to be Nihilists. [/B]

However, it is foolish to judge an atheist when you are not one, and I would bet, have never been one. You and I have no idea what it is like to be an atheist.

Originally posted by willRules
If the "raping, murdering child molester" is truly sorry for what they have done and chooses to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and saviour then, yes, I believe that they one day will go to be with Jesus.

However a Jew, Atheist or a Buddhist may not have wronged God by your "raping, murdering, child molesting" standard but I believe that everyone sins and so everyone is guilty of going against God's plans for us to be with him.

I don't think most people have an issue with someone who has committed horrific acts being forgiven, so much as the fact that simply for sinning, in God's eyes, they are put on par with others who by their own standards have committed far worse atrocities. Which is understandable why people may not like this, however they tend to forget that when they do lie or do "minor" things that still constitutes as a sin ✅

So If Hitler, who has murdered and tortured millions of people repented before his death, he ends up in Heaven.

But I, who have never killed or tortured anyone my entire life do not repent, I will end up in Hell.

I will suffer for eternity, while Hitler will be joyous for eternity.

That is injustice and unlikely.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
So If Hitler, who has murdered and tortured millions of people repented before his death, he ends up in Heaven.

But I, who have never killed or tortured anyone my entire life do not repent, I will end up in Hell.

I will suffer for eternity, while Hitler will be joyous for eternity.

That is injustice and unlikely.

Are you all powerful or all loving? I'm gonna assume you aren't (No offence 😛 ) If all sins are sin in God's eyes, then it becomes much easier to understand the issue of repentance. The severity of a sin is something we all have to deal with but the fact that we sinned is something none of us can deal with. It took the death and resurrection of Jesus to show us that ✅

If my beliefs are true then hypothetically, if Hitler were truly sorry and repented, then he has accepted the fact that Jesus took our sins. The naughty note that says Hitler did this wrong thing and that, became Jesus did this wrong thin and that. Jesus took the punishment for sin, however insignificant or atrocious we consider it to be ✅ The only thing we need to do is realise that and ask Jesus to decide what's right for us from now on.

Originally posted by willRules
Not much, merely that I think the statement that "If many theists didn't have a God, they'd be nihilists" is a redundant argument, because the counter argument is that by a theists standards all atheists probably should be nihilists because they don't believe in a a life giving God ✅

I just felt the original statement was a tad silly ✅

Although that isn't what I was really getting at - it was the statements some Theists make about how hopeless an Atheist must feel without faith before themselves going on and giving such a bleak world view where everything humans are and does and can ever do is usually a sin laden, et etc existance.

It strikes me as a rather hypocritical state of being. And that puts them closer to Nihilism then an Atheist simply not believing in God. And I can only imagine what happens in the event such people with such down views of God's creation loose their faith in God - because really then they would have nothing, much like they say Atheists have.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Although that isn't what I was really getting at - it was the statements some Theists make about how hopeless an Atheist must feel without faith before themselves going on and giving such a bleak world view where everything humans are and does and can ever do is usually a sin laden, et etc existance.

It strikes me as a rather hypocritical state of being. And that puts them closer to Nihilism then an Atheist simply not believing in God. And I can only imagine what happens in the event such people with such down views of God's creation loose their faith in God - because really then they would have nothing, much like they say Atheists have.

Oh I agree with you entirely. Without God I would have nothing ✅

Originally posted by willRules
Are you all powerful or all loving? I'm gonna assume you aren't (No offence 😛 ) If all sins are sin in God's eyes, then it becomes much easier to understand the issue of repentance. The severity of a sin is something we all have to deal with but the fact that we sinned is something none of us can deal with. It took the death and resurrection of Jesus to show us that ✅

If my beliefs are true then hypothetically, if Hitler were truly sorry and repented, then he has accepted the fact that Jesus took our sins. The naughty note that says Hitler did this wrong thing and that, became Jesus did this wrong thin and that. Jesus took the punishment for sin, however insignificant or atrocious we consider it to be ✅ The only thing we need to do is realise that and ask Jesus to decide what's right for us from now on.

If Heaven is a place where Hitler can go, then I don't want to be there. Do you understand that ?

And Jesus will never answer you. He is dead. It is you who must decide what to do with your life.

Originally posted by willRules
Oh I agree with you entirely. Without God I would have nothing ✅

What a shame.

But if he asks nice, I'll give it too him. I'm the nice god.. 🐰

Originally posted by willRules
Oh I agree with you entirely. Without God I would have nothing ✅

So your family, children, and loved ones are nothing ?

You are nothing ?

You must be very lonely.

*["You're works don't show me that you are a Christian. The answers that you give people are harsh and unloving and offend most people on this board. The Christians don't even like you. What is your definition of a Christian and what makes your definition different from others?"]

***Theologically speaking, a Christian is someone who has received the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour [John 1:12-13], trusts Him ALONE for the forgiveness of his/her sins [Acts 4:12], has NOT put trust in his/her own EFFORTS to please God, and REPENTED from his/her sins [Mark 1:15].

It is NOT necessary as a Christian to perform good works in order to PLEASE God because, first of all, our good DEEDS are but FILTHY rags to God [Isaiah 64:6] and, most importantly, we are made RIGHTEOUS in the eyes of God by the FINISHED WORK of Jesus on the cross [Romans 5]. This is one of the areas where the cults ERR. They confuse good WORKS with the FORGIVENESS of sins. They COMBINE the two and teach that God will NOT accept us if we are not TRYING to be GOOD. Because they have a WRONG view of who Jesus IS...they have a WRONG view of SALVATION.

A common OBJECTION to this doctrine of JUSTIFICATION by FAITH is that if a Christian believes in God the way I say, then he/she does NOT need to do anything GOOD, that he/she could then go out and SIN all he/she wanted. First of all, this objection is answered in Romans 6. We are NOT saved for the purpose of IMPURITY, but in SANCTIFICATION [1 Thessalonians 4:7]. We do NOT use the GRACE of God to SIN. Second, a Christian is called to be HOLY [1 Peter 1:16]. Third, a Christian is called to do good works [Ephesians 2:10]. It is just that these WORKS are not COMBINED with our FAITH to MERIT the FORGIVENESS of our SINS; they are, instead, a NATURAL RESULT of our SAVED condition. We do good WORKS because we ARE Christians, NOT to BECOME Christians.

Additionally, being a Christian means that you are serving the TRUE Jesus, NOT a FALSE one. In order for a person to follow Jesus, he/she must first ACCURATELY understand who He IS. If someone called their pet horse Jesus, even though he/she had great faith in Jesus the horse...his/her faith is USELESS. FAITH is ONLY as GOOD as the OBJECT in which it is PLACED.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
[B]*["You're works don't show me that you are a Christian. The answers that you give people are harsh and unloving and offend most people on this board. The Christians don't even like you. What is your definition of a Christian and what makes your definition different from others?"]

***Theologically speaking, a Christian is someone who has received the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour [John 1:12-13], trusts Him ALONE for the forgiveness of his/her sins [Acts 4:12], has NOT put trust in his/her own EFFORTS to please God, and REPENTED from his/her sins [Mark 1:15].

It is NOT necessary as a Christian to perform good works in order to PLEASE God because, first of all, our good DEEDS are but FILTHY rags to God [Isaiah 64:6] and, most importantly, we are made RIGHTEOUS in the eyes of God by the FINISHED WORK of Jesus on the cross [Romans 5]. This is one of the areas where the cults ERR. They confuse good WORKS with the FORGIVENESS of sins. They COMBINE the two and teach that God will NOT accept us if we are not TRYING to be GOOD. Because they have a WRONG view of who Jesus IS...they have a WRONG view of SALVATION.

A common OBJECTION to this doctrine of JUSTIFICATION by FAITH is that if a Christian believes in God the way I say, then he/she does NOT need to do anything GOOD, that he/she could then go out and SIN all he/she wanted. First of all, this objection is answered in Romans 6. We are NOT saved for the purpose of IMPURITY, but in SANCTIFICATION [1 Thessalonians 4:7]. We do NOT use the GRACE of God to SIN. Second, a Christian is called to be HOLY [1 Peter 1:16]. Third, a Christian is called to do good works [Ephesians 2:10]. It is just that these WORKS are not COMBINED with our FAITH to MERIT the FORGIVENESS of our SINS; they are, instead, a NATURAL RESULT of our SAVED condition. We do good WORKS because we ARE Christians, NOT to BECOME Christians.

Additionally, being a Christian means that you are serving the TRUE Jesus, NOT a FALSE one. In order for a person to follow Jesus, he/she must first ACCURATELY understand who He IS. If someone called their pet horse Jesus, even though he/she had great faith in Jesus the horse...his/her faith is USELESS. FAITH is ONLY as GOOD as the OBJECT in which it is PLACED.

Marchello [/B]

OK, you don’t do good works to be a Christian; you do good words because you are a Christian. To me, it should all look the same. Now, why do I not see that in what you have written? I think it is because you do not have the Holy Spirit in you, and you are not saved. A Holy person should show that holiness in all things they do. This is of course according too your religious beliefs as you have explained them to me.

Very Good Shaky. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, you don’t do good works to be a Christian; you do good words because you are a Christian. To me, it should all look the same. Now, why do I not see that in what you have written? I think it is because you do not have the Holy Spirit in you, and you are not saved. A Holy person should show that holiness in all things they do. This is of course according too your religious beliefs as you have explained them to me.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0945/0945_01.asp

Hahaha, either people are extremely stupid, or Mister Chick is a lying, deceiving bastard who will be ass raped by Satan's pitchfork.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
So your family, children, and loved ones are nothing ?

You are nothing ?

You must be very lonely.

Without God I wouldn't even have them to love. 😄 I try to thank God for everything he has provided for me. That he has made me. Without God I would have nothing ✅

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
If Heaven is a place where Hitler can go, then I don't want to be there. Do you understand that ?

And Jesus will never answer you. He is dead. It is you who must decide what to do with your life.

Wow I couldn't disagree with you more on this topic if you were the king of wrong land, who, at childhood, went to wrong school and brought up to argue what is wrong. 😄

Wow I guess what I'm trying to say is that I believe....... well you're wrong 😛