Chick Tracts and the Bible why the discrimination?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The term saved is originally from Buddhism. It means to be saved from the suffering of birth and death. Even Buddha talked about saving people. However, he would have not approved of a champion taking away the suffering. This does not lead to happiness. People must free themselves by removing attachments in life.

Anyone who would research the original writings would see that the bible never talks about a place of real torment called hell. The writers of the bible, the Jews, dont even believe that. Dont people see that it was incorrporated in the cannon in the 13 century, if i remember right. Just like the holidays were changed, women voted to have a soul, and Jesus as god. It was all voted on.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
No, posthumous salvation is not in the Bible. All you did in your "rebuttal" of me is say I misinterpreted scripture. You gave no evidence of what you're saying.

Nope, it's clearly there and in explicit terms. I do not think it could be anymore clear unless it said, "Bat-Dude, posthumous salvation exists."

Originally posted by Bat Dude
A person gets one chance to repent.

Incorrect. We get many chances to repent. Else we be damned the moment we commit another sin after repenting.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
One chance to come to God. One. This life. If we got multiple chances, there would be no urgency.

Nope, multiple chances. Even Jesus, apparently, preaches the word directly to those that did not receive the gospel in this life. It's not a though I gave you direct scripture that stated that, directly.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
It gives people a license to just sin and live like the devil! They would have no reason to come to repentance, because they would just think, "Oh, well, I'll just get out my get out of jail free card in the afterlife and all will be forgiven." It doesn't work that way. If you don't come to repentance in THIS life, you don't go to heaven.

So let's get this straight: due to how our brains work, situations, circumstances, etc.....you still believe we only get one chance? Don't you think that the attributes you assign to God make Him a giant douchy prick? Where's the mercy in your interpretation of God? Once chance....but no leeway. What if your one chance occurs when you're pooping and someone knocks at your door? What if your one chance occurs while you're sleeping and someone called your phone?

Well, since I clearly showed you where there are multiple chances, you're just plain wrong. Nothing will convince you, however.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Supported by scripture? REINCARNATION? You have to be kidding me! You're really grasping at straws now! Let me show you a couple places that contradict your claim:

Calm down.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
First is Hebrews 9:27
" And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Then reconcile that with the other scriptures that says man will "go out no more" after they overcome all. Sounds like reincarnation is directly supported and contradicts the above scripture. Keep in mind that I do not support the reincarnation idea: only that it is a possibility supported by scripture.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Next is Matthew 25:46
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

That does nothing to contradict what I had stated.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Next is Luke 16:22-23
"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

This scripture is a mistranslation. Hell does not exist in the bible: only a modern interpretation.

This also does not contradict what I had stated.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
How on earth did Matthew 7:13 support what you said? Read it again. Actually, I'll help break it down:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate:"
-Pretty simple to understand.

"for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"
-So now we know that the way that leads to destruction is broad and wide, and LOTS of people are gonna go that way. If that's the case, lots of people will never come to repentance. Sounds a lot like the way to hell, doesn't it?

No, that directly contradicts you. This clearly states many people will not obtain the gospel and be "saved" through Jesus Christ's atonement. However, at some point, everyone will bow on knee and confess Christ is the Savior at the last judgement. Obviously, at some point, people will hear the gospel. We already know that it is some time between death and the Last Judgment as I have clearly outlined for you.

In this life, there is only one way: the narrow way. That's obviously though Christ.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
-So now we know that the way which leads to life is narrow, and few people will find it. Sounds an awful lot like the way to heaven, doesn't it?

Yes, exactly, so what I said.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
And let's go forward a little more and bring up more scripture to back that interpretation up:

"Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (Matthew 3:12)

We can either be wheat or chaff.

Orrrrrrr, that's a reference to our sins and we are made perfect through the Shepard.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
There's probably more, but I have to head to work in about an hour, so I can't go through all the scriptures right now.

Okay.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Oh we have a choice in whether or not we repent and get saved, but that doesn't mean we're the ones doing the saving. Why do we call Jesus Christ our Saviour if we were the ones that save ourselves?

Why do we learn how to function in the adult world when our parents could just be our parents until we all died?

Oh, right, we actually have to do something for ourselves.

This is just word semantics, at this point. You're playing a game. We save ourselves. If we couldn't or didn't, we would not have free will. Sure, Jesus provided a way through which we could be saved. That's the most important thing about the gospel, no doubt. However His atonement is useless if we do not do anything towards it.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
The notion that we are good enough to save ourselves goes completely against the Bible. If you believe we can save ourselves, again, you might as well throw your whole Bible away.

You just "strawman"ned my point. That's not what I stated nor is it the implications of what I said.

If you think man doe nothing to save themselves, you might as well throw your brain away because free will has no place in your world.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
The fact that we CAN'T save ourselves is the reason Jesus had to die on the cross FOR US!

Okay, but duh.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
By accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour for what He did on the cross, you, in essence, are being redeemed by God.

And now you're making my point. Man must save himself. The atonement is freely given...but we have to do something. We just aren't auto-saved.

Christ did the 90%, but we have to save-ourselves by going the 10%. Together, we obtain salvation.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
It has nothing to do with your ability to save yourself. That would be works based religion. Christianity is the only religion in the world that is NOT works based, as badly as some try to make it into one. That's why it gives so many people hope.

You are incorrect. Christianity is extremely works based and at the last judgement, we will be judged by our works.

Revelation 20:13

"And the Sea yielded the dead which were in it, and Death and Sheol yielded the dead which were with them, and they were judged, one by one, according to their works."

You are directly and explicitly contradicted. Sure, if you're Lutheran, you might believe in a "by grace are ye saved" type of salvation. But, that is just another misinterpretation of scripture to fit a particular agenda.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We are finite beings, right? We have about 85 -90 years on this planet, if we're lucky.

How in the world is it just for anyone to receive INFINITE punishment for finite number of sins?
That idea in itself is unjust.

We are not finite beings.

Human beings are spirits.

We have souls (i.e. a mind, will, emotions, and personality).

But we (the real spirit us) live inside of a physical body.

So humans have three natures that constitute who we are in totality.

God is a Spirit. We have been created in the image and likeness of God; Hence, we are spirits. God is eternal. Again, we are created in God's image and likeness spiritually so we also are eternal.

The wages of sin is death. Since all people have sinned, all are subject to physical death. As a result, the physical body is mortal.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear:

Because a person is an eternal spirit, when that person dies (i.e. when his spirit and soul exits his body) his eternal spirit must spend eternity somewhere. If the eternal spirit is born again then it will spend eternity with God.

However if the eternal spirit is not born again then it will spend eternity in the lake of fire.

Using your rationale how in the world is it just for a person to receive infinite forgiveness, mercy, and grace for a finite confession of faith in Jesus Christ to save him from his sins?

In other words, how is it just for that person to spend eternity in Heaven, his sins completely washed away and remitted, never to brought up again or held against him. To enjoy the beauty of Heaven. To witness the majesty of Almighty God, and the splendor of His radiant glory. To see the nail-pierced hands and feet of the Lord Jesus Christ as he bows before the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. To walk on streets of transparent gold. To eat fruit from the tree of life which is in the midst of the Paradise of God. To have the Lord’s Name on his forehead. To drink from the fountain of the water of life freely. To be called a son of God. To inherit all things. To have his name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. To be able to see the face of God. To be able to sit with Jesus on His throne. To have a pillar in the temple of God. To be clothed in white garments. To have Jesus confess his name before His Father and before His angels. To have Jesus write on him the Name of His God and the name of the city of His God. To have power over the nations. To be given the morning star. To be given some of the hidden manna to eat. To be given a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it. To never be hurt by the second death. To reign forever and ever.

Just as there is eternal punishment, there is also eternal grace. The beauty of this is that you get to choose which one you want to have for eternity.

Do you want eternal righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit? A God Who wipes away every tear from your eyes? No more death, nor sorrow, nor crying? No more pain?

You can have it all if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead.

You will be saved and spend eternity in the presence of God, where there is fullness of joy.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
...We [B]have souls (i.e. a mind, will, emotions, and personality)...[/B]

Mind, will, emotions and personality are the result of the human brain. You cannot have these things without a physical brain. It would be like saying that an ocean wave could exist without water.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Mind, will, emotions and personality are the result of the human brain. You cannot have these things without a physical brain. It would be like saying that an ocean wave could exist without water.

All I ask you to do is substantiate your statement.

If you are unable to do so convincingly then I cannot accept your claim.

Your assertion would simply be a matter of faith.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
All I ask you to do is substantiate your statement.

If you are unable to do so convincingly then I cannot accept your claim.

Your assertion would simply be a matter of faith.

OK, get a bucket of water, then pore the water out. Now make a wave with the soul of the water that used to be in the bucket.

When you die, the electrical and chemical activity in the brains stops. This is like poring the water out of the bucket. The bucket no longer has any water to wave with, just like the brain has no more electrical and chemical activity to have thoughts, will or personality with.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, get a bucket of water, then pore the water out. Now make a wave with the soul of the water that used to be in the bucket.

When you die, the electrical and chemical activity in the brains stops. This is like poring the water out of the bucket. The bucket no longer has any water to wave with, just like the brain has no more electrical and chemical activity to have thoughts, will or personality with.

I believe what the Bible says.

I believe that the three components that compose humanity is spirit, soul, and body.

I believe that when the body dies, the spirit and soul exit the body.

I believe this by faith.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe what the Bible says.

I believe that the three components that compose humanity is [B]spirit, soul, and body.

I believe that when the body dies, the spirit and soul exit the body.

I believe this by faith. [/B]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
All I ask you to do is substantiate your statement.

If you are unable to do so convincingly then I cannot accept your claim.

Your assertion would simply be a matter of faith.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

You're right!

I believe this by faith.

My evidence is faith.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You're right!

I believe this by faith.

Then you are getting fact and faith confused with each other. If you believe by faith you don't need fact, so don't pretend to have facts.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe what the Bible says.

I believe that the three components that compose humanity is [B]spirit, soul, and body.

I believe that when the body dies, the spirit and soul exit the body.

I believe this by faith. [/B]

Is that circular reasoning or what?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you are getting fact and faith confused with each other. If you believe by faith you don't need fact, so don't pretend to have facts.

It's a fact he can only support his claims with faith.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
And if I told you to believe me and do it by faith because if you dont there will be penalties and if you love me you will do it and if you dont then you will be damned because i do love you will you follow me? But you should follow me because I wrote a book and you should believe my book even though I really didnt write it and it does have flaws but it is okay because you have to believe it because if you dont then you dont have enough fainth or you are being influenced by some demonic force. Will you worship me now??

Is that circular reasoning or what?

It made me dizzy. But you forgot to say "I am the true god".

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you are getting fact and faith confused with each other. If you believe by faith you don't need fact, so don't pretend to have facts.

You cannot disprove that the soul is the mind, will, emotions, and personality of a person.

I believe that just as the spirit lives inside of the body, the soul lives inside of the brain.

I believe that when the physical body dies that the spirit exits the body, and the soul exits the brain.

So (I believe that) the brain is the physical home of the soul just as the body is the physical home of the spirit.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a fact he can only support his claims with faith.

😂 Leave it to you to find the rabbit.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You cannot disprove that the soul is the mind, will, emotions, and personality of a person.

I believe that just as the spirit lives inside of the body, the soul lives inside of the brain.

I believe that when the physical body dies that the spirit exits the body, and the soul exits the brain.

So (I believe that) the brain is the physical home of the soul just as the body is the physical home of the spirit.

That is like saying that the number one lives inside the symbol for the number 1.

The symbol for one is 1.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is like saying that the number one lives inside the symbol for the number 1.

The symbol for one is 1.

Can you substantiate your belief in reincarnation with solid proof, or is it simply a matter of faith?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you substantiate your belief in reincarnation with solid proof, or is it simply a matter of faith?

That is too personal. However, I never claim reincarnation to be fact. I believe it is a human creation that tries to explain a phenomenon found in nature. I believe there are things in the universe that cannot be known by humans, ever. Reincarnation is one of those things.

Do you see the difference?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is too personal. However, I never claim reincarnation to be fact. I believe it is a human creation that tries to explain a phenomenon found in nature. I believe there are things in the universe that cannot be known by humans, ever. Reincarnation is one of those things.

Do you see the difference?

You believe?

So you admit that you take reincarnation to be true by faith--and not by fact?

You do not believe that reincarnation can ever be known by humans yet you believe that's what happens to a person who dies?

So your belief in reincarnation is just that: a belief?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You believe?

So you admit that you take reincarnation to be true by faith--and not by fact?

You do not believe that reincarnation can ever be known by humans yet you believe that's what happens to a person who dies?

So your belief in reincarnation is just that: [b]a belief? [/B]

I have unshakable faith. As a consequence, I have no need to shout anyone down, who does not believe as I do.