Who do we cheer for? Who do we want to win?

I don't know yet. Now I think he is a screw up, but that would change our perception on him greatly. Was he a great man or a great failure? Only Ep2 and 3 can answer that and I think GL will really have to make an effort to make OB1 surface as a great man.

As to Qui-Gon being a bad thing,. I have stated before that the only mistake he made was dying, which you can hardly criticise him for. As he was responsible for the discovery of the person who, in the end, put everything right, you can't put him in the 'Menace' stakes.

I liked Qui Gon a lot and I thought Liam Neeson did an excellent job with the role. He WAS a jedi. I was sad when he died, but the center now needs to be on Anakin/Obi Wan and Qui Gon would have had to had a lesser role. IMHO OC. 🙂

I think you're right about that..to bring Qui Gon more into play now would make the connection with OT strained. IMO

I would dig a little ghost appearance by Qui-Gon here and there, to coach OB1 a bit.

I agree, queeq. That would follow the natural flow, as Obi Wan and Yoda appeared to Luke in the OT.

Yeah, but he can't, because... oh, let's not start that again.

In any case, if Qui-Gon could even have a few more words of advice to Obi-Wan, I don't think Obi-Wan would @#%$ up Anakin's training. Much as I love the guy, he's dead as a dodo.

Well, I guess you're right. But I HOPE not. 🙂

hey,

I don't think ob1 should be blameds for all of this, it had more of the boy being to old, and to much anger already in him. there was nothing anyone elso could do. Yod even thought the council whould have messed up his training

I don't believe that word got censored!

I still think Yoda isn't quite as smart as he's given credit for... actually, make that not quite as INFALLIBLE as people think.

wait a sec., how did we get off this subject entirely? I think phinney6 kinda side tracked us a little. Just start a new topic if u need too!

I't not THAT off-topic. It';s about who your heroes are after all- or aren't. I was commenting that too many people idolise Yoda.

It's a slide on-topic side track. Ush for one would not cheer for Yoda.

Shouldn't we place the blame of Anakin's fall on Anakin...Yeah, maybe OB1 did make mistakes..but it was still Anakin who went the dark side. Anakin's little emotional rollercoaster ride is going to put OB1 through the wringer I think...
*tries to steer back on topic* 😂

I think one of the implications of what we have seen so far is that the Dark Side is very likely to be the destiny of those untrained- or by extension, improperly trained. True, Anakin's nature set him up for his fall, and this shouldn't be ignored, but I think every Jedi teacher knows the responsbility he has in making sure his pupil avoids those traps that he will otherwise most certainly fall for.

Well, I have great sympathy with Obi-Wan, anyway. Difficult as it is to empathise with a fantasy film, I think most of us will do what he does, unless the remaining episodes have some big, big surprises.

U don't think they will have big big surprises Ushgarak? I'll expect them.

Well, in general, I'm sure they will. But specifically pertaining to something that will thoroughly change my view of Obi-Wan... that I feel is less likely

It might though, when OB1 becomes General and succesfully wins the Clone Wars.

I dont get why every 1 puts the blame on ob1. If you really look at the whole picture, you could lay the blame on padme. If she had never gone with qui gon, ani would never had been attracted to her and followed her (assuming he followed her as soon as he finished cleaning the racks).

That's pretty ridiculous. No-one can predict the future consequences ofd so innocent an action. You may as well blame Shmi for being born, or Obi-Wan for not being killed by Maul.

Whereas Obi-Wan had clear responsbility with Anakin, and he failed in that responsbility. But others clearly failed in other ways as well.

The question "Was Obi-Wan to blame?" is irrelevant. GL says he is. The only question is "How MUCH is he to blame?"