Who do we cheer for? Who do we want to win?

I agree with Ush. OB1 is responsible. He is a Jedi, so is Anakin. Padme is not.

I blame Shimi for being born

Ooh. Harsh. Disciple of Yoda, are you?

You are so right about that.

I still think Anakin is responsible..there is such a thing as personal accountability you know.

Thats what my parents keep telling me 😉

While Anakin obviously cannot be held blameless, I think I've said before that the Dark Side seems to be the default destiny for force adepts, UNLESS THEY ARE PROPERLY TRAINED. So Anakin can probably quite rightly turn to his tutors and say "it's your fault more than mine", because all he did was the norm.

Well, he would be right actually. After all he was too OLD to begin his training. In the regular way that is. Yoda obviously altered his training with Luke. And they had Vader to hold him back from turning to the Dark Side. I mean, what knowledge did the Jedi have about the Dark Side until Maul? And in his case only OB1 lived and learned.

I imagine they had plenty of info on the Dark Side, just nothing on the Sith.

Isn't that just how strong the dark side can be?

Well, possibly. Not wanting to get into an EU=based 'what are the Sith' discussion, what is clear from the films is that the Sith is an organisation of Dark Jedi, extinguished 1000 years ago, that only has two emmbers, and that is all.

Meanwhile, we can assume that mere Dark Jedi are around all the time.

Dark Jedi ARE an assumption. If Dooku is an evil Jedi AND Darth Tyranus, this case is very weak from a canonical POV.

Obviously we can't speak definitively here. But it is only a logical assumption that Dark Jedi are around; no system is 100% perfect and besides, most force adepts born outside the Republic would probably end up on the Dark Side, although they wouldn't technically be Jedi.

After all, they wouldn't be so afraid of training Anakin if the Dark Side was anything other than a continuous threat, if not actually fully realised until the time of the prequel trilogy.

Furthermore, they didn't seem that blown away when Qui-Gon reported that he had been in a lightsabre duel with someone with force powers. Only when he made his claim of Sith did they disbelieve him. They probably thought it was a mere Dark Jedi that Qui-Gon had fought- rare, but not impossible, like they considered the Sith to be.

I don't know. Qui-Gon seemed surprised enough about someone being trained in the Jedi arts. Maybe the JC Members have become politicians.

A reason for non-spotted force sensitive people NOT turning Dark is that they have little or no knowledge of the Force. They only become dangerous when TRAINED in the Jedi arts and not done well.

... which is why they would be extremely rare, and not all over the bloody place.

Qui-Gon was surprised that the man was WELL-trained, not that he was trained at all.

Dark Jedi are a very likely logical possibility, for plenty of reasons. But they have never been significant. I mean, all we hear is about how powerful the pull of the Dark Side is- Quicker, Easier, More Seductive... these are words about something that happens, not something vague and theoretical.

Plus we alreadt know of Aurra Sing, a former Jedi Padawan who left the order. I am sure she isn't the only one.

I think JO has touched on a good point there. I can't believe every padawan becomes a master, let alone achieves knighthood. It would logical for some to become disgruntled or disillusioned with the order and leave before completing their training. The council can't force them to stay, I wouldn't think. In Anakin's case, with his superior power and now (I hate to bring it up) midi-chlorian count of supposed astronomic proportions, he is the prime target for Sidious. In Shadows of the Empire, while Vader is searching for Luke, he is thinking to himself, "a light that bright cannot stay hidden for long".

Quicker, easier, more seductive is OT stuff. AFTER VAder's fall. Anyway, whatever it is, non-Sith Dark Jedi are EU until GL puts it in the movies. Simple as that.

Yeah, I know, that, but it's still the most logical outcome. It has always been presented as a fact of life- not a one )or two) off. And the line may have been OT, but it sounded like a long-established catechism to me.

Possibly, but maybe it really got some meaning when the Sith demonstrated their power. It's kinda strange actually that Yoda denies that the Dark Side is stronger. The Sith wiped out all the light side Jedi.