DE Palpatine & Exar Kun vs. The New Jedi Order

Palpatine, in a fresh clone body, re-appears, as does a fully-powered Exar Kun with his amulet. These two sense the dsturbing amount og light that The Force has gathered and decided to take out the New Jedi Order. Their first prime target is the head of this New Order - Luke Skywalker. The war with the Vong is over and the two Sith lords decide the time to strike is now. Two scenarios then follow:

1. Tue duo work seemlessly; channeling their immense and unrivaled dark side power to overwhelm Luke. The battle takes place in an ancient cave with fallen stones, cracked stalactites and stalagmites everywhere. They appear at the entrance to the cave to block Luke’s retreat and use their combined dark side might to keep the Jedi Master away. Can they overwhelm him together?

2. They do not trust each other. Instead of recognizing that the light and power of Luke is the most dangerous threat, they instead attack him individually with their own powers and battle strategy. This fight takes place in the deep underground of Coruscant.

Each person has their full range of abilities and items with the exception of:

Luke’s Emerald Lightning is not an insta-kill move in this fight. I don’t think it would kill either of them instantly anyway but that’s the rule here. IF he can even hit them with it.

Palpatine’s Force Storm is a last resort. Kun must be dead in Scenario 2 and if the duo gets overpowered in Scenario 1 then he can use it.

If these two can take on and survive Luke, will the rest of the Order fall to them? Is there any pair that would destroy them if Luke failed?

So only 2 people can fight them at a time? And Kun can use his retarded amulet but Palpatine and Luke cant use Force Storm or emerald lightning? Thats stacking the odds extremely in Exar's favour there.

Anyways, if its not 2 at a time and when Luke "gets killed" (which he wouldn't, but if he did) there are people in the NJO that would crush Exar and Palpatine anyways. Kyle, Kyp, Corran, the Solo children etc etc.

Anyways, take away Exar's amulet and Luke beats them both pretty easy because Palpatine is going down hard against Luke in a saber duel as is Exar (but not as easily), and in the force, neither Exar or Palpatine can match him. They'd put up a good fight together, but I still say they go down eventually. (If Exar cant use his amulet) if he can then Luke cant win, not while fighting both of them at the same time.

So:
Luke vs. Exar (alone with amulet) = Luke wins
Luke vs. Palpatine alone = Luke wins
Luke vs. Exar and Palpatine (no gay Kun amulet) = Luke wins after a hard fight
Luke vs. Exar and Palpatine (Kun can use amulet) = Luke loses after a hard fight.

But Even if Luke loses and there can be more then 2 vs 2 then Palpatine and Exar get beaten by the rest of the NJO anyways. If it is only ever 2 vs. 2 then Exar and Palpatine are unbeatable if they get past Luke. I dont think there are any 2 people that could fight them and win if Luke was dead. But if it could be 3 people against Palps and Kun then there are 3 people who against Palps and Kun would win, but not 2.

Luke by now is, what, twice as strong as them?

lol probably. Only Kyp and Jacen come close imo.

Not even close. TUF made Kyp and Luke's difference very obvious

What is close to something else is a point of view.

The entire New Jedi Order? Damn. I don't even want to picture how bad Kun and Palpatine get screwed - especially if they can't use their most powerful attacks.

Anyways, Anomaly, only Luke could defeat Kun and Palpatine as of New Jedi Order. Kun may give either of them a hard fight, and Jacen isn't the powerhouse that he is depicted to be in Legacy of the Force. Kyle's pretty tough, but can't take either of them. Jaina? Nope.

Add their special abilities, and Kun and Palpatine may be able to take down Luke - and the others would follow suit.

All together? Palpatine and Kun have their atoms spread throughout the solar system. 😖

I'd say Kyp would be able to take Kun. Probs Jacen too.

The duo win #1 but lose in #2.

Originally posted by Jen'ari
I'd say Kyp would be able to take Kun. Probs Jacen too.

By New Jedi Order? I'm not aware of Jacen being uber-powerful there. Perhaps by Legacy of the Force, but I doubt by NJO. Kyp would give either Palpatine or Exar a fight - but I believe that either of them could defeat him.

Oops, misread your post.

In Scenario 1, I can see the duo winning. Working together, utilizing their immense dark side energies, they could stand a chance against Luke. Not in a saber fight but the arena makes such a fight quite dumb. There are many advantages in cracked heavy pieces of stone above your enemy you could use. By NJO, Luke would be only slightly higher in my estimates than these two together. Experience is also in their favor. It is by no means an "pwn" and they won't win every single tie but playing their cards right, they can pull it off.

And after Luke, I see it being clear sailing through the rest of the Order.

By NJO I don't think anybody with the exception of Luke could take down Kun and Palpatine. By LOTF you would have Luke, Kyp, and Jacen more powerful than the two.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
By NJO I don't think anybody with the exception of Luke could take down Kun and Palpatine. By LOTF you would have Luke, Kyp, and Jacen more powerful than the two.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
By NJO I don't think anybody with the exception of Luke could take down Kun and Palpatine. By LOTF you would have Luke, Kyp, and Jacen more powerful than the two.

Luke and Jacen for sure (though I really don't know about Jacen - the inconsistencies are endless) - but I don't know about Kyp.

I've only actually read about the NJO stuff on njoe.com so I may be quite uninformed on some of the finer details of the book but I was always under the impression that Kyp>Jacen. Or does Jacen grow crazily powerful by LOTF or something? Also, Kyp's still pretty young right. He'll should definitely grow more powerful than the sith as long as he doesn't die or anything.

I believe Jacen becomes more powerful than Kyp. There was some source that said it was a POSSIBILITY that either Jacen or Ben Skywalker would become more powerful than Luke, although that's purely hearsay for now.

Possibly, because you have to remember that Luke started his training pretty late.

Originally posted by darthsith19
The duo win #1 but lose in #2.

Sidious kills Kun, takes the amulet, and plots on how to kill Luke.