90 Minutes in Heaven

Started by The Scribe27 pages

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I beg to differ with you. These are just a few recorded instances of people who Jesus the Christ raised from the dead during His earthly ministry:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%207:11-17;%20Matthew%209:18-19,%2023-25;%20Mark%205:22-24,%2035-43;%20&version=50

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%208:41-42,%2049-56;%20John%2011:1-44&version=50

Well, that was Jesus raising them from the dead. That's what he does.
I'm not going to argue that.

But, I will argue that point that you are using an NKJV which is a perverted version of the scriptures and has an occult symbol on the cover.

Have you been watching TBN?
I'd stop that if I were you.

Unless you watch them a little to expose their lies.

Originally posted by The Scribe
Well, that was Jesus raising them from the dead. That's what he does.
I'm not going to argue that.

But, I will argue that point that you are using an NKJV which is a perverted version of the scriptures and has an occult symbol on the cover.

Have you been watching TBN?
I'd stop that if I were you.

Unless you watch them a little to expose their lies.

Seriously, there are many accounts of people who have died and came back to life. Sometimes when a person dies before their time i.e. their appointed time they are sent back to finish the race (mission, assignment, destiny) that God has given them to fulfill. However, there is not necessarily a Scripture that explains every phenomenon or experience that a person has on earth or in the hereafter. That is not the purpose of Scripture.

Yes, I use the NKJV. Based on my familiarity with the KJV I can say that the NKJV is nearly identical to the KJV without the archaic English i.e. thee's, thou's, ye's, shalt's, etc.

Yes, I watch TBN. I have been watching TBN for many years now.

Lies?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Seriously, there are many accounts of people who have died and came back to life. Sometimes when a person dies before their time i.e. their appointed time they are sent back to finish the race (mission, assignment, destiny) that God has given them to fulfill. However, there is not necessarily a Scripture that explains every phenomenon or experience that a person has on earth or in the hereafter. That is not the purpose of Scripture.

Yes, I use the NKJV. Based on my familiarity with the KJV I can say that the NKJV is nearly identical to the KJV without the archaic English i.e. thee's, thou's, ye's, shalt's, etc.

Yes, I watch TBN. I have been watching TBN for many years now.

Lies?

They have never comeback to life because they were never DEAD. HUGE difference between clinically dead and dead.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Seriously, there are many accounts of people who have died and came back to life. Sometimes when a person dies before their time i.e. their appointed time they are sent back to finish the race (mission, assignment, destiny) that God has given them to fulfill. However, there is not necessarily a Scripture that explains every phenomenon or experience that a person has on earth or in the hereafter. That is not the purpose of Scripture.

It would be significant to include in the scriptures if God sent people back from the dead to "finish" things.

He doesn't, it is appointed unto men once to die....

Go back and reread my other comments.

Yes, I use the NKJV. Based on my familiarity with the KJV I can say that the NKJV is nearly identical to the KJV without the archaic English i.e. thee's, thou's, ye's, shalt's, etc.

Yes, I watch TBN. I have been watching TBN for many years now.

Lies?

"Archaic English"
"the archaic words in the King James 1611 need to be updated."

No, it doesn't.

NKJV

NKJV counterfeit

Constance Cumbey, author of The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow and a notable authority on the New Age Movement, said, "On the cover of the Aquarian Conspiracy is a Mobius, it is really used by them as triple six (666). The emblem on the cover of the New King James Bible is said to be an ancient symbol of the Trinity. The old symbol had gnostic origins. It was more gnostic than Christian. I was rather alarmed when I noticed the emblem..." (The New Age Movement, Southwest Radio Church, 1982 p.11)


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Originally posted by The Scribe
It would be significant to include in the scriptures if God sent people back from the dead to "finish" things.

He doesn't, it is appointed unto men once to die....

Go back and reread my other comments.

"Archaic English"
"the archaic words in the King James 1611 need to be updated."

No, it doesn't.

NKJV

Again, it is not the goal or purpose of the Scriptures to explain all of life's phenomenons or mysteries, or to regulate every aspect of the believer's life. God through His Word gives us specific instruction in some areas and leaves many other things to the believer's discretion. For example, how you dress, what type of deodorant you use, what kind of music genre you prefer, or your hobbies are left up to you. God does not need to tell you specifically what to do in any of those areas. What God does do is provide a general, sweeping rule as far as those and many other activities are concerned. God really does not object to anything that we do so long as it does not violate His Word. I said all of that to underscore the fact that everything about life especially the things that we do not understand or have limited knowledge about will not necessarily be explained by the Bible. But in the same manner as with our daily lives God does provide us with enough general revelation to sustain us and supply us some comfort and some answers to this thing we call life until we get to Heaven. Once we arrive in Heaven then we will know even as we are known.

Here is a Scripture reference that does give some insight about the subject under discussion concerning God sending the spirit of a person back into their body. Again, it would behoove us to appreciate what information God has provided for us on any given subject even if it appears that the revelation is inadequate, insufficient, or missing certain relevant details.

Luke 8:54-56 (New King James Version)
54 But He put them all outside, took her by the hand and called, saying, “Little girl, arise.” 55 Then her spirit returned , and she arose immediately. And He commanded that she be given something to eat. 56 And her parents were astonished, but He charged them to tell no one what had happened.

The dead girl's spirit returned to her and she arose. This indicates that at death a person's spirit leaves or separates from his/her physical body. Physical death is the separation of the spirit & soul from the body. Life is the union of the spirit & and soul with the physical body. The Scriptures do not explain why the girl's spirit returned. We do not know if God sent the girl's spirit back into her body because it was not her appointed time to die or if God had some other purpose. What we do know from the Bible is that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord--which is far better!

2 Corinthians 5:7-9 (New King James Version)
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. 9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.

Philippians 1:22-24 (New King James Version)
22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. 23 For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. 24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
For example, how you dress, what type of deodorant you use, what kind of music genre you prefer, or your hobbies are left up to you.

Not entirely true. There are biblical rules on dressing like to cover your head or to wear fringes. There are a lot about what you can eat. There is a certain level of micromanagement in the bible (613 laws is a lot).

Originally posted by The Scribe
NKJV

That article uses ridiculous methods. It is pointing out errors in the corrections of KJV by saying they differ from the KJV. A true comparison would be to look at the original untranslated texts and show which translation was more true to the language.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Not entirely true. There are biblical rules on dressing like to cover your head or to wear fringes. There are a lot about what you can eat. There is a certain level of micromanagement in the bible (613 laws is a lot).

That was under the Old Testament/Covenant. Believers operate under a new, better Covenant established upon better promises.

Hebrews 8:5-7 (New King James Version)
5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second .

There is more freedom or latitude for the believer than there was for the Israelite under the law. We function according to the spirit or heart motivated by love whereas under the law of Moses the children of Israel functioned according to the flesh (everything was external as far as the laws and various ordinances). But under the New Testament that Jesus the Christ introduced everything is according to the heart. All that we do is now, or should be, motivated from the seat of the heart not just external observance of strict laws and commands. The Bible puts it this way:

2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but
the Spirit gives life .

Jesus had a lot to say about the spirit or the heart. The bar has been raised for the believer because Jesus deals with the source and seat of human process--the heart. Jesus does not just say "do or do not do" based on the letter. Jesus says things like,

Matthew 5:27-29 (New King James Version)
27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

So, I said all of this to say that under the New Covenant the theme is liberty and freedom in Christ. Everything that we do should flow from a heart of love for God and our neighbor, not be some mechanical response to the letter (i.e. a written law that commands us to do thus and so or not to do thus and so). We should refrain from sin because we love God and our neighbor as ourselves not because God said to abstain from the appearance of evil. We should avoid certain types of dress or food for sake of decency, good health, and to honor God because we love Him, but--from the heart not solely because God may or may not have told us to do so. Under the New Testament the Lord Jesus Christ said,

John 14:21-23 (New King James Version)
21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

Under the Old Testament God gave the Israelites--who were not born again spiritually--to do this or don't do that and outlined His will for them in the form of the Ten Commandments and in other civil and ceremonial laws. But under the New Testament God--the Lord Jesus Christ--gives us one law: the law of love. God does not have to tell us to have no gods before Him, do not steal, do not covet (desire) your neighbor's spouse, do not murder, etc. He just gives us the law of love and that one law should regulate our conduct and take care of it all. Here's why: if a person loves God then he/she will not worship other gods, steal, covet someone's spouse, murder and so forth. His/her love for God should motivate him/her to glorify, honor, and hold God in deepest reverence and to treat his/her neighbor as he/she would want to be treated. What I endeavor to say is summed up in these verses:

Romans 13:8-10 (New King James Version)
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

So all of the things that God told the children of Israel i.e. all of the laws (God told them more than just ten commandments, He gave them national, local, and private laws to regulate their lives) are all summed up for the believer in one law: the law of love. But love is a matter of the heart or spirit. God simply desires for His people, the church, to be led by the spirit and to do all things from a heart of love.

Do you follow me?

Originally posted by King Kandy
That article uses ridiculous methods. It is pointing out errors in the corrections of KJV by saying they differ from the KJV. A true comparison would be to look at the original untranslated texts and show which translation was more true to the language.

Nope, the article is right on. I've heard the same thing from credible sources. There were no corrections to the KJV.

The original text argument again. 😱

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
or to regulate every aspect of the believer's life. God through His Word gives us specific instruction in some areas and leaves many other things to the believer's discretion. For example, how you dress, what type of deodorant you use, what kind of music genre you prefer, or your hobbies are left up to you. God does not need to tell you specifically what to do in any of those areas.

Left to our discretion? 😕

Deodorant? 🙄

So, what if someone had a porn hobby? 😛

Also, music. You should know better by now.
All secular music and even Contemporary "Christian" music is not for the Christian.

You know Ray Boltz "came out" recently? He's CCM.

Amy Grant isn't any better, none of them are.
There's no precedent in scripture for a musical "ministry."

Your clothing should be modest and no pants on the females.

Originally posted by The Scribe
Left to our discretion? 😕

Deodorant? 🙄

So, what if someone had a porn hobby? 😛

Also, music. You should know better by now.
All secular music and even Contemporary "Christian" music is not for the Christian.

You know Ray Boltz "came out" recently? He's CCM.

Amy Grant isn't any better, none of them are.
There's no precedent in scripture for a musical "ministry."

Your clothing should be modest and no pants on the females.

And women should keep their heads covered, and never speak in church.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And women should keep their heads covered, and never speak in church.

I agree with the never speaking part. 😄 😉

Originally posted by The Scribe
I agree with the never speaking part. 😄 😉

Extremism all looks the same.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Extremism all looks the same.

But...they aren't. 😉

Originally posted by The Scribe
But...they aren't. 😉

I don't agree. If it looks like a duck, and quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't agree. If it looks like a duck, and quakes like a duck, it is a duck.

I'm a duck now? 😖

You're incorrect. I'm not a duck nor am I an extremist.

Originally posted by The Scribe
I'm a duck now? 😖

You're incorrect. I'm not a duck nor am I an extremist.

I wasn't talking about you. 🙄 I was talking about people like JIA. Are you just like JIA?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wasn't talking about you. 🙄 I was talking about people like JIA. Are you just like JIA?

Probably even more so.

He uses a modernized "Bible."

Just look up my comments on this forum.
I have links to podcasts. 😄