90 Minutes in Heaven

You are still doing it, JIA. Your first day back and you're back at spamming. Stop. This is absolutely your final warning. Any more and it will be a permanent ban.

Originally posted by BackFire
You are still doing it, JIA. Your first day back and you're back at spamming. Stop. This is absolutely your final warning. Any more and it will be a permanent ban.

What is your definition of spamming?

Spamming youtube in place of making actual points. Spamming links your own posts in some strange attempt of trying to trick people into thinking that you aren't spamming.

This is a discussion board, but you rarely discuss anything. You simply spam links to youtube over and over.

Originally posted by BackFire
Spamming youtube in place of making actual points. Spamming links your own posts in some strange attempt of trying to trick people into thinking that you aren't spamming.

This is a discussion board, but you rarely discuss anything. You simply spam links to youtube over and over.

I do discuss.

The last post I posted was a discussion.

The links just corroborate or support what I'm talking about.

What's the harm in that?

You posted the same thing twice, and also linked to your own post for no reason, thus posting the same thing three times. That is spam.

If you don't believe you are spamming then continue. I'm telling you that you are wrong and that you will be banned, though.

Originally posted by BackFire
You posted the same thing twice, and also linked to your own post for no reason, thus posting the same thing three times. That is spam.

If you don't believe you are spamming then continue. I'm telling you that you are wrong and that you will be banned, though.

I posted the same thing twice because I made a mistake.

What harm is there in including links in my post?

The harm is that it clutters the forum with worthless and repetitive content that anyone who cares would have already read.

If you made a mistake then simply post the correction in a follow up post without the rest of the initial post.

Originally posted by BackFire
The harm is that it clutters the forum with worthless and repetitive content that anyone who cares would have already read.

If you made a mistake then simply post the correction in a follow up post without the rest of the initial post.

Question: are the posts below spam?

I don't see any discussion in the below posts.

Yet no one ever complains when this is done.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Originally posted by Adam_PoE

Originally posted by Dolos
YouTube video

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Loki approves.

There's no discussion here either, just YouTube links.

Are these spam?

My posts feature discussion in addition to links, these do not.

I do admit just posting links though, that won't happen again.

The difference is Adam posts things like that rarely and usually for the sake of humor and not in place of actual arguments, you post things like that on a constant basis.

Thank you for agreeing to not spam anymore.

Originally posted by BackFire
The difference is Adam posts things like that rarely and usually for the sake of humor and not in place of actual arguments, you post things like that on a constant basis.

Thank you for agreeing to not spam anymore.

Spam is still spam regardless of the reason it is posted right?

Adam's posts are offensive spam with no purpose except to incite, blaspheme, and to deride.

This is unacceptable.

Yet no one complains.

It's kinda of like watching TV: You don't have to watch that channel if you don't like it.

You can always just change it.

But instead of just ignoring my posts (like I do posts I don't like) some people go out of their way to complain to the moderators.

Why not just ignore it?

That's what I do.

Why are some people on here so sensitive?

It's not that serious is it?

If so, then forgive my lack of understanding.

I'll try to understand.

I've already explained the difference. At this point I believe you are intentionally being dense in order to continue this discussion. You said you will stop the spam, and so I expect you to follow through on that. If you don't a permanent ban will occur. That is the last I will say on the matter.

Originally posted by BackFire
I've already explained the difference. At this point I believe you are intentionally being dense in order to continue this discussion. You said you will stop the spam, and so I expect you to follow through on that. If you don't a permanent ban will occur. That is the last I will say on the matter.

I am not being intentionally dense.

I was just trying to appeal to your sense of equity, regardless of the situation, that's all.

This guy was a Reverend, so he probably dreamed about what he preached.

Now after being hit by an 18 wheeler, and proclaimed dead until they by luck managed to resuscitate his heart, when his heart was stopped his brain lacked blood flow. That can cause hallucinations. Heroine does the same thing, it shuts down the body's functions and people hallucinate.

God could be the product of man's imagination, man might have created God, it is more logical than the other way around - more logical in that society now does not even remotely reflect the society in the Bible.

Creation was not done in six days and all logic indicates the Bible's depiction of creation was based on man's primitive understanding of the universe in that bygone, pre-scientific era.

Dolos God is like Dark Matter. It is a place holder for something we cannot understand. The big problem is that a lot of people know more about god then can be known.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Dolos God is like Dark Matter. It is a place holder for something we cannot understand.

The big problem is that a lot of people know more about god then can be known.

I don't think we should speculate on whether or not this concept is a living breathing thing that has plans and designs. So I disagree that we should pursue this concept as much as we should pursue knowledge in general.

By very definition, God is a broken character, if he preturnaturally knows the past, present and future (omniscience) of all places (omnipresence) and can do anything (implying he can undo things he's made undo-able, the infamous God Paradox), than what point is there in this concept's existence!? How does the concept even possess a free-thinking, conscious mind!? God is a complete slave to the flow of events, by very definition. The entire bible described a God that has broken an infinity of logical rationalities. God is unquantifiable, and assuredly has no purpose, design, or plan. The collective of all things, the result, not the cause.

Originally posted by Dolos
I agree entirely.

I don't think we should speculate on whether or not this concept is a living breathing thing that has plans and designs. So I disagree that we should pursue this concept as much as we should pursue knowledge in general.

By very definition, God is a broken character, if he preturnaturally knows the past, present and future (omniscience) of all places (omnipresence) and can do anything (implying he can undo things he's made undo-able, the infamous God Paradox), than what point is there in this concept's existence!? How does the concept even possess a free-thinking, conscious mind!? God is a complete slave to the flow of events, by very definition. The entire bible described a God that has broken an infinity of logical rationalities. God is unquantifiable, and assuredly has no purpose, design, or plan. The collective of all things, the result, not the cause.

I never said anything like that.

Originally posted by Dolos
This guy was a Reverend, so he probably dreamed about what he preached.

Now after being hit by an 18 wheeler, and proclaimed dead until they by luck managed to resuscitate his heart, when his heart was stopped his brain lacked blood flow. That can cause hallucinations. Heroine does the same thing, it shuts down the body's functions and people hallucinate.

God could be the product of man's imagination, man might have created God, it is more logical than the other way around - more logical in that society now does not even remotely reflect the society in the Bible.

Creation was not done in six days and all logic indicates the Bible's depiction of creation was based on man's primitive understanding of the universe in that bygone, pre-scientific era.

Don Piper was dead so how could he be hallucinating the fragrant aroma of Heaven, the abundant flutter of angel wings above his head, seeing the pearly gate of New Jerusalem (as mentioned in the Book of Revelation 21:21), seeing and communicating with his deceased father, and a friend who had been killed?

This was a coherent experience that followed after he died, and was certified dead by the police, who had called, and were waiting for the coroner.

Your theory is illogical.

Go back up several posts and listen to the YouTube link that I provided in another post.

I guarantee that if you do this you will believe this man's testimony.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Don Piper was dead so how could he be hallucinating the fragrant aroma of Heaven, the abundant flutter of angel wings above his head, seeing the pearly gate of New Jerusalem (as mentioned in the Book of Revelation 21:21), seeing and communicating with his deceased father, and a friend who had been killed?

He wasn't really dead, the police determined he had no pulse, so his brain was functioning without the oxygen from blood flow. This is what causes heroine addicts to "trip". He's preached the bible for years, no wonder his unconscious would naturally go to events depicted in the Bible as being "life after death"; it knew it was dying.

This is really more of an ode to the nature of the human mind and its ability to comfort itself - as it does from day to day. If I was having a pleasant hallucination, my mind would mind would fire off the signals of endorphins and norepinephrine; my unconscious might interpret the visual and echoic senses of an episode depicting a physically intimate relationship.

Originally posted by Dolos
He wasn't really dead, the police determined he had no pulse, so his brain was functioning without the oxygen from blood flow. This is what causes heroine addicts to "trip". He's preached the bible for years, no wonder his unconscious would naturally go to events depicted in the Bible as being "life after death"; it knew it was dying.

This is really more of an ode to the nature of the human mind and its ability to comfort itself - as it does from day to day. If I was having a pleasant hallucination, my mind would play something more of an intimate sensual relationship.

I agree! Dead people don't come back from the dead. People who did not die, but only came close, come back.

Originally posted by Dolos
He wasn't really dead, the police determined he had no pulse, so his brain was functioning without the oxygen from blood flow. This is what causes heroine addicts to "trip". He's preached the bible for years, no wonder his unconscious would naturally go to events depicted in the Bible as being "life after death"; it knew it was dying.

This is really more of an ode to the nature of the human mind and its ability to comfort itself - as it does from day to day. If I was having a pleasant hallucination, my mind would mind would fire off the signals of endorphins and norepinephrine; my unconscious might interpret the visual and echoic senses of an episode depicting a physically intimate relationship.

Don Piper was really dead.

You seem to be in denial of the facts.

Where are you getting your information from?

Did you watch the video?

The man's car was completely run over, and totaled by an 18 wheeler, yet you glibly assert that he was not dead after I informed you that the police officers certified that he was dead.

Police officers don't call a coroner for someone who is just unconscious because that wouldn't be proper procedure.

In situations where the accident victim is still alive EMTs will transport the individual to the hospital.

But this was not the case.

No EMTs were called to transport Don Piper to the hospital because he was already dead.

That's why the police called the coroner instead.

I think you are just spouting your opinion, but I don't believe that you have listened to this man's documented testimony.

The man was dead for 90 minutes.

Your information is subjective not impartial, objective, or factual.

Again, dead people don't hallucinate reality coherently.

A person either experiences coherent reality alive or while dead.

But no person ever experiences a hallucination coherently, dead or alive because hallucinations are intrinsically incoherent, distortions of reality.

Those who do hallucinate are either schizophrenic, or tripping from drugs--but none of them are ever dead, or capable of having a coherent experience of reality during hallucinations because hallucinations are incoherent distortions of reality.

Don Piper was dead when he experienced the glory of Heaven coherently, and without distortion--so your theory is illogical, and requires a more rational explanation.