90 Minutes in Heaven

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I agree! Dead people don't come back from the dead. People who did not die, but only came close, come back.

Jesus came back from the dead (after being dead for three days and three nights) (Matthew 28:1-10, Mark 16:1-20, Luke 24:1-53, John 20:1-31).

Many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep (i.e. died in Christianese) were raised from the dead, and came out of the graves after Lord Jesus' resurrection, and went into the holy city (i.e. Jerusalem) and appeared to many (Matthew 27:51-52)

The apostle Paul came back from the dead (Acts 14:19, 2 Corinthians 12:2).

Lazarus came back from the dead (after being dead for four days too!) (Luke 11:38-44).

A twelve-year-old girl came back from the dead (Mark 21:40).

Her spirit returned to her dead body just like Don Piper's (Luke 8:55).

A widow's son came back from the dead while he was being carried in a coffin (Luke 7:14)

A child came back from the dead (2 Kings 4:32-37).

Click on link below or look up Scripture references in the Bible for yourself to .

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%204:32-37,%20Matthew%209:18-26,%20%2027:51-52,%2028:1-10;%20Mark%205:21-42,%2016:1-20;%20Luke%207:11-17,%208:40-55,%2024:1-53;%20John%2011:1-44,%2020:1-31&version=NKJV

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus came back from the dead (after being dead for three days and three nights) (Matthew 28:1-10, Mark 16:1-20, Luke 24:1-53, John 20:1-31).

[b]Many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep (i.e. died in Christianese) were raised from the dead, and came out of the graves after Lord Jesus' resurrection, and went into the holy city (i.e. Jerusalem) and appeared to many (Matthew 27:51-52)

The apostle Paul came back from the dead (Acts 14:19, 2 Corinthians 12:2).

Lazarus came back from the dead (after being dead for four days too!) (Luke 11:38-44).

A twelve-year-old girl came back from the dead (Mark 21:40).

Her spirit returned to her dead body just like Don Piper's (Luke 8:55).

A widow's son came back from the dead while he was being carried in a coffin (Luke 7:14)

A child came back from the dead (2 Kings 4:32-37).

Click on link below or look up Scripture references in the Bible for yourself to .

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%204:32-37,%20Matthew%209:18-26,%20%2027:51-52,%2028:1-10;%20Mark%205:21-42,%2016:1-20;%20Luke%207:11-17,%208:40-55,%2024:1-53;%20John%2011:1-44,%2020:1-31&version=NKJV [/B]

There is actually very little archeological evidence that Jesus was a real person.

But whatever.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus came back from the dead (after being dead for three days and three nights) (Matthew 28:1-10, Mark 16:1-20, Luke 24:1-53, John 20:1-31).

Many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep (i.e. died in Christianese) were raised from the dead, and came out of the graves after Lord Jesus' resurrection, and went into the holy city (i.e. Jerusalem) and appeared to many (Matthew 27:51-52)

The apostle Paul came back from the dead (Acts 14:19, 2 Corinthians 12:2).

Lazarus came back from the dead (after being dead for four days too!) (Luke 11:38-44).

A twelve-year-old girl came back from the dead (Mark 21:40).

Her spirit returned to her dead body just like Don Piper's (Luke 8:55).

A widow's son came back from the dead while he was being carried in a coffin (Luke 7:14)

A child came back from the dead (2 Kings 4:32-37).

Click on link below or look up Scripture references in the Bible for yourself to .

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%204:32-37,%20Matthew%209:18-26,%20%2027:51-52,%2028:1-10;%20Mark%205:21-42,%2016:1-20;%20Luke%207:11-17,%208:40-55,%2024:1-53;%20John%2011:1-44,%2020:1-31&version=NKJV

Typo: I meant Mark 5:21-40.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The man's car was completely run over, and totaled by an 18 wheeler, yet you glibly assert that he was not dead after I informed you that the police officers certified that he was dead.

Police Officer=/=Medical expert.

He should have called the EMTs whether he found a pulse or not. How often did the officers check for his pulse after the first time within the next 90 minutes???

Obviously not enough.

Originally posted by Dolos
There is a profound absence of evidence that any of that actually happened.

There is actually very little evidence that Jesus was a real person.

But whatever.

Dolos, have you ever seen or met George Washington (the first President of the Unites States) in person?

How can you be certain that George Washington existed?

Photos? Documents? Records?

How do you know those photos, documents, and records weren't doctored or falsified?

Prove to me that George Washington existed.

The only evidence that you have whether George Washington existed or not is the testimony of another person who is no longer alive.

The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth is alive and exists, my personal testimony is evidence, and the testimony of the writers of the Bible (under God's divine inspiration) is my evidence.

But here's additional testimony:

http://cherylthewriter.hubpages.com/hub/Do-we-have-any-scientific-proof-that-Jesus-existed-or-is-it-just-our-faith

Originally posted by Dolos
Police Officer=/=Medical expert.

He should have called the EMTs whether he found a pulse or not. How often did the officers check for his pulse after the first time within the next 90 minutes???

Obviously not enough.

Still haven't watched the video have you?

Can you handle the truth?

Don't watch the video Dolos.

Originally posted by Dolos
Police Officer=/=Medical expert.

He should have called the EMTs whether he found a pulse or not. How often did the officers check for his pulse after the first time within the next 90 minutes???

Obviously not enough.

Some police officers undergo EMT training and are certified paramedics.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Dolos, have you ever seen or met George Washington (the first President of the Unites States) in person?

How can you be certain that George Washington existed?

Photos? Documents? Records?

How do you know those photos, documents, and records weren't doctored or falsified?

Prove to me that George Washington existed.

The only evidence that you have whether George Washington existed or not is the [b]testimony of another person who is no longer alive.

Jesus Christ exists, my personal testimony is evidence, and the Bible is my evidence.

But here's additional testimony:

http://cherylthewriter.hubpages.com/hub/Do-we-have-any-scientific-proof-that-Jesus-existed-or-is-it-just-our-faith [/B]

Because there is archeological evidence, and records and historical documents are far more conclusive than the Bible, which is not any more conclusive than The Bhagavad Ghita.

Your personal testimony is subjective, not objective.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Some police officers undergo EMT training and are certified paramedics.

Does the video state that the police offer was?

And even if the police officer was, people err, he may have just checked for a pulse or for breath once before calling it in. The person was unconscious for 90 minutes, shock can cause a heart attack. And people are known to hallucinate when their heart stops, lack of blood flow to the brain means lack of oxygen in the brain.

Originally posted by Dolos
Because there is archeological evidence, and records and historical documents are far more conclusive than the Bible, which is not any more conclusive than The Bhagavad Ghita.

Your personal testimony is subjective, not objective.

You didn't answer my question.

How do you know the evidence is trustworthy?

You are just giving the evidence the benefit of the doubt.

Were you there when the evidence was collected?

Did you oversee it's care and storage?

You cannot assure yourself--let alone anyone else--that the evidence is genuine, authentic, and real--because you weren't there.

You--just like me relative to the Bible--are just believing what someone else told you.

Hence, you have no real proof that you can truly substantiate outside of someone else's testimony--just like Christians.

We are in the same boat, and company.

Your evidence isn't any more valuable than mine.

The advantage that I have is that my evidence came from God--Who cannot lie.

But people lie all the time.

Question: have you ever lied?

Originally posted by Dolos
Because there is archeological evidence, and records and historical documents are far more conclusive than the Bible, which is not any more conclusive than The Bhagavad Ghita.

Your personal testimony is subjective, not objective.

Does the video state that the police offer was?

And even if the police officer was, people err, he may have just checked for a pulse or for breath once before calling it in. The person was unconscious for 90 minutes, shock can cause a heart attack. And people are known to hallucinate when their heart stops, lack of blood flow to the brain means lack of oxygen in the brain.

Don't watch the video Dolos.

My bad, several paramedics on the scene pronounced Don Piper dead--not police officers (and not unconscious)--based on the severity of his injuries.

"...Piper says several EMT's worked on him from four ambulances. It's said more than one portable EKG device was used to measure his lifeless body, operated by more than one paramedic.

By any standard measure of medical science administered by healthcare professionals, Don Piper was a dead man...."

http://voices.yahoo.com/don-piper-man-spent-90-minutes-heaven-4549731.html?cat=5

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How do [b]you know the evidence is trustworthy? [/b]

Because I'm skeptical, not schizophrenic.

You are just giving the evidence the benefit of the doubt.

Were you there when the evidence was collected?

Did you oversee it's care and storage?

If you think I'm not skeptical enough, then you don't to know just how many commonly accepted facts about what is really happening within the governments around the world I call into question in my other threads.

You cannot assure yourself--let alone anyone else--that the evidence is genuine, authentic, and real--[b]because you weren't there.

And because I don't care to find evidence for myself. The archaeologists themselves, however, are a different story. They've provided evidence for the like of Alexander the Great, who predated Jesus by hundreds and hundreds of years.

You--just like me relative to the Bible--are just believing what someone else told you.

Actually, I'd be willing to believe George was a cover up for the first King of the Colonies, whose descendants now rule behind the facade of the US Government.

You on the other-hand, won't question the notion that the earth was created in 6 days; you won't question a collection of manuscripts written by many different people over the course of 300 years.

The advantage that I have is that my evidence came from God--Who cannot lie.

How do you know?? Oh, the ancient authors told you.

But people lie all the time.

Who do you think wrote the bible. I know you think they were in commune with God, or that you saw God. But you really need to call that into question.

Question: have you ever lied?

That really has nothing to do with this but...

If I was a liar as you accuse me, what value does my answer hold?

Lol, you shouldn't believe anything anyone tells, you should rely on your own experiences. I'm not an atheist, and I'm not religious, I will not impose an atheistic or a theistic belief-system on you. But I will attempt to make you question everything.

"...Piper says several EMT's worked on him from four ambulances. It's said more than one portable EKG device was used to measure his lifeless body, operated by more than one paramedic.

By any standard measure of medical science administered by healthcare professionals, Don Piper was a dead man...."

I'm skeptical as to whether or not his resuscitation was an act of the Christian God, I'm also skeptical if his vision wasn't an hallucination, I am skeptical that this event doesn't have a scientific explanation somewhere.

You define God, you attribute everything you don't understand to his existence, yet this existence is not understood to you the same way it is understood to billions of other theists.

How can you attribute something you don't care to understand and unravel using science, to God?

Originally posted by Dolos
Because I'm skeptical, not schizophrenic.

It is a rational choice to believe the first president existed, I agree.

If you think I'm not skeptical enough, then you don't to know just how many commonly accepted facts about what is really happening within the governments around the world I call into question in my other threads.

And because I don't care to find evidence for myself. The archaeologists themselves, however, are a different story. They've provided evidence for the like of Alexander the Great, who predated Jesus by hundreds and hundreds of years.

Actually, I'd be willing to believe George was a cover up for the first King of the Colonies, whose descendants now rule behind the facade of the US Government.

You on the other-hand, won't question the notion that the earth was created in 6 days; you won't question a collection of manuscripts written by many different people over the course of 300 years.

How do you know?? Oh, the ancient authors told you.

Who do you think wrote the bible. I know you think they were in commune with God, or that you saw God. But you really need to call that into question.

That really has nothing to do with this but...

If I was a liar as you accuse me, what value does my answer hold?

Lol, you shouldn't believe anything anyone tells, you should rely on your own experiences. I'm not an atheist, and I'm not religious, I will not impose an atheistic or a theistic belief-system on you. But I will attempt to make you question everything.

I'm skeptical as to whether or not his resuscitation was an act of the Christian God, I'm also skeptical if his vision wasn't an hallucination, I am skeptical that this event doesn't have a scientific explanation somewhere.

You define God, you attribute everything understand to his existence, yet this existence is not understood to you the same way it is understood to billions of other theists -- yet it is unscientific to do so.

I think that you misapplied the word skeptical to this discussion.

Skeptical means that you doubt that something is true.

So what you are saying is that you doubt the veracity of historical-archaeological evidence concerning George Washington's existence correct?

Alexander the Great (sighs).

You haven't heard a word that I've said (or rather written).

Your only proof that Alexander the Great existed is the testimony of another person who is dead i.e. not alive to attest to his existence.

This means that you are taking someone else's word because you don't have first-hand knowledge.

Hence, you are taking by faith that Alexander the Great actually existed because you've never met him.

Manuscripts written over a period of 300 years?

I don't know where you get your information from.

Dolos, The Bible is a collection of 66 books written by 40 different authors, on three different continents, in three different languages, over a period of 1500 years, from several walks of life (i.e. some were kings, prophets, a physician, a shepherd, a priest, a cupbearer, immediate disciples/apostles of Jesus Christ, a tax collector, fishermen, a Pharisee, murderer of Christians, Moses' successor, judges, etc.)--and yet retains harmony, consistency, agreement, and unity from the first book to the last book without errors, or contradictions.

The Bible--not the Qu'ran, Guru Granth Sahib, Vedas, or Mystic Law of the Lotus Sutra--is the number one bestseller of all time.

You know why?

Because it is God's Book.

I am not accusing you of being a liar.

I merely asked you if you have ever lied.

There's a difference.

Okay, JIA. I HAVE had a real-life near-death experience, so I don't have to link to anything. I'm not getting this from anyone else but myself. This is MY TRUE WITNESSING ACT.

I'm not going to give too many details, because they're not really your business, but I was in the hospital, in a lot of pain and the doctors didn't know what to do next. I don't know how long it lasted, I was a minor and the doctors told my mother, and I've asked her about it, but she refuses to tell me, so I guess that's one thing I don't know. I was 17 when when I had this experience.

I don't remember a lot. What I DO remember is a feeling of floating, which makes sense because I was on a lot of pain medication, which sometimes made em feel that way. I sensed things, more than physically seeing them. But what I sensed/saw was my family standing around me, looking down at me so I could see their faces. Both of my dad's parents are dead, but they were there. They were the only "dead people" that I pictured. The rest of my family are still alive. When I came out of it, it seemed like a pleasant memory. Of course, I didn't much think about it because when they brought me back, there was a oxygen tube down my throat and a whole bunch of doctors and nurses standing around me. And then I had the pleasure of processing the fact that I had almost left life.

It was only after that, a long time after, that I was able to really think about it. I dream about it sometimes. They're nightmares.

By telling you all this, my point is that, while I am not a Christian, I believe in being a spiritual person. I choose not to be religious because, in my opinion, religion has too much dogma, and true meaning often gets tangled in it.

I'm also making the point of, at least, with my experience, my time "out" was very fuzzy and not at all certain. The person in your video can recall minute details, and remember what people said. Again, from what I remember, it was like a very very fuzzy dreamstate, I can only remember the gist of it...

I don't expect this post to change your mind, but maybe it can serve as a reminder that maybe people shouldn't believe everything they read/hear/see, especially when it's someone else's account. My point is... even if something is in line with your beliefs, you should still question it, because whoever is in charge up there gave you your brain to think, and not to blindly take everything for truth.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Okay, JIA. I HAVE had a real-life near-death experience, so I don't have to link to anything. I'm not getting this from anyone else but myself. This is MY TRUE WITNESSING ACT.

I'm not going to give too many details, because they're not really your business, but I was in the hospital, in a lot of pain and the doctors didn't know what to do next. I don't know how long it lasted, I was a minor and the doctors told my mother, and I've asked her about it, but she refuses to tell me, so I guess that's one thing I don't know. I was 17 when when I had this experience.

I don't remember a lot. What I DO remember is a feeling of floating, which makes sense because I was on a lot of pain medication, which sometimes made em feel that way. I sensed things, more than physically seeing them. But what I sensed/saw was my family standing around me, looking down at me so I could see their faces. Both of my dad's parents are dead, but they were there. They were the only "dead people" that I pictured. The rest of my family are still alive. When I came out of it, it seemed like a pleasant memory. Of course, I didn't much think about it because when they brought me back, there was a oxygen tube down my throat and a whole bunch of doctors and nurses standing around me. And then I had the pleasure of processing the fact that I had almost left life.

It was only after that, a long time after, that I was able to really think about it. I dream about it sometimes. They're nightmares.

By telling you all this, my point is that, while I am not a Christian, I believe in being a spiritual person. I choose not to be religious because, in my opinion, religion has too much dogma, and true meaning often gets tangled in it.

I'm also making the point of, at least, with my experience, my time "out" was very fuzzy and not at all certain. The person in your video can recall minute details, and remember what people said. Again, from what I remember, it was like a very very fuzzy dreamstate, I can only remember the gist of it...

I don't expect this post to change your mind, but maybe it can serve as a reminder that maybe people shouldn't believe everything they read/hear/see, especially when it's someone else's account. My point is... even if something is in line with your beliefs, you should still question it, because whoever is in charge up there gave you your brain to think, and not to blindly take everything for truth.

There is no such thing as an NDE.

You are either dead or you are alive.

Based on your testimony I conclude that you were dead i.e. you're spirit (i.e. the real you made in God's image) and your soul (i.e. your mind, will, emotions, and personality) left (i.e. separated from) your body momentarily.

That's what death is: the separation of the spirit and soul from the body.

I don't really need to be told what happened. I felt it. It happened to me. I have my own beliefs about it.

So, thank you for ignoring the POINT of my post, which I have very nicely labelled for you in the last two paragraphs.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
I don't really need to be told what happened. I felt it. It happened to me. I have my own beliefs about it.

So, thank you for ignoring the POINT of my post, which I have very nicely labelled for you in the last two paragraphs.

I apologize.

I didn't mean to ignore your post.

I didn't deny your experience, I just defined it in light of Scripture.

I believe that you died.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
The person in your video can recall minute details, and remember what people said. Again, from what I remember, it was like a very very fuzzy dreamstate, I can only remember the gist of it...

Imagination inflation refers to the finding that imagining an event which never happened can increase confidence that it actually occurred.

This effect is relevant to the study of memory and cognition, particularly false memory. Imagination inflation is one way that techniques intended to retrieve repressed memories (i.e. via recovered memory therapy) may lead to the development of false or distorted memories.

Life and Death are not a switch. Death is a process.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Life and Death are not a switch. Death is a process.

Originally posted by Dolos
I'm dying right now.

You are also renewing yourself.