Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
What I want to know is why do we never have NDE of people going to Hell before coming back? They all seem to go to heaven.Anyway, I am dubious about the claims. The whole "definitely dead" thing could be dodgy. I know there have been a lot of Emergency personnel, sometimes in serious accidents or in high stress situations where a misdiagnosis or incorrect declaration of death has been made. And where even doctors in the past have thought someone dead who was simply in a very, very deep coma (or in very deep shock.)
As to Doctors throwing their hands up and going "it is a miracle!" - once again not so strange, and not as indicative as it sounds. I have a med student friend who enjoys telling me stories (mostly about autopsies) where something of very low probability has occurred and someone has gone "it is a miracle."
But anyway - this claim, it is Jesus level stuff. It is not a Near Death Experience. If it is true, really true, then he was dead. And his brain should have been so badly damaged that it shouldn't have mattered whether he came back or not. And most Christians tell me that Jesus level miracles are not really that common any more. People seeing a light when being near dead? Sure, why not. But a person being really dead and badly messed up from an accident? I mean gee, if the accident was bad enough to kill him, they wouldn't have been fixing his body after he was dead, would they? Technically when he "came back from heaven his body should still have been in a bad state.
Deny all you wish it does not change anything. These people know what they saw and experienced. If you had gone through this and was trying to tell people about it there would be many who would not believe you either. No matter what you do there will be the skeptics who say, “well…I just can’t accept…or, I just don’t believe that…or, maybe this or maybe that or…why this…or why that….The bottom line is that there are some things that other people will just have to go through themselves before they will believe that it is possible. Hell is replete with people who have that mindset. But now they are stuck with the memory (you don not skip a beat when you die, you simply change dimensions. We instantly go from the physical world into the spiritual world but everything still has substance and materiality there. Objects and people are just as tangible there as they are here. But the saddest part is that you do not forget anything. You don’t lose your faculties or mental processes when you change dimensions. You retain the same mind with its myriad of memories including the memory that you could have gone to Heaven. The spirit is the real you. The soul comprises the mind, will, and emotions. It is your spirit and soul that change addresses or dimensions when you die. But because your mind is connected or attached or a part “of” your soul, it goes along with you to this other world. That is why you do not skip a beat mentally when you die physically. You are just as conscious after death as you were before death, you are just in another dimension (Heaven or Hell). Some people who do not go all the way to either destinations (perhaps it is not their time) relate seeing a corridor or tunnel with a bright light at the opening or end. Any way I have to end here for now.
Now on the subject of miracles. I do not have the time (I wish that I did) or the strength right now to teach. I know that it does not seem like it but I do get tired. But there are so many miracles being done by God on a second by second basis, we just are not privy to all of them. People have been healed of A.I.D.S., cancer, tumors, other terminal illnesses, tumors, blindness, paralysis, and so forth by God’s power in Jesus Name. If you all just knew. Now, the same God who made the first man from the dust of the ground is more than capable of miraculously healing someone from even the most severe injuries. God raises people from the dead regularly. People who have been dead for sometimes even more than three days. There are so many testimonies of this that you have not heard of that are well documented. One man’s body started to decompose on the fourth day when Jesus sent him back to his body. One of these days I am going to compile this information and put it in a e-book so that everyone can access it.
Now, you must have overlooked this post in this same thread concerning folk going to Hell and then coming back instead of to Heaven.
http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html (scroll down and click on link entitled, "To Hell and Back"😉
Atheist doctor's and other people become believers after experiencing Hell. All of these people were stout atheists before their ordeal, many were middle to upper middle class professionals. They all testified on the Geraldo Rivera show (back in the day) that they believe in the reality of Heaven, Hell, the Bible, God, and Jesus Christ--after coming back to life.
In fact there is a man named Dr. Rawlings who wrote a book based on true accounts of people that he personally witnessed state that they were seeing Hell. Many of these people were in sheer terror, screaming, hollering, asking Dr. Rawlings to help them. One man (his name is Charles Mcaig) was hooked up to an EKG machine while walking on a treadmill. Charles suddenly experienced clinical death (no heartbeat, no breathing). Dr. Rawlings immediately attempted to resuscitate Charles, who at this time was deceased. Dr. Rawlings and his staff successfully resuscitated Charles. Dr. Rawlings asked Charles what was the matter because he had a terrified look on his face. Charles replied, "I have just been to Hell." Dr. Rawlings replied, "keep your Hell to yourself because I am trying to save your life, you need a minister for that." (Again, at the time Dr. Rawlings and Charles Mcaig were atheists.) Dr. Rawlings was still trying to do CPR while trying to install a pacemaker. Charles started fading out again. Charles goes on to admit that he was able to view everything that was going on as though he was floating near the ceiling and looking down on the procedure (many NDEs cite this exact phenomenon). Charles kept asking Dr. Rawlings, "please help me, please help me, I do not want to go back to Hell.” A lady named Pam, who had been running the stress test on Charles said to Dr. Rawlings, “Well, he needs help do something.” Dr. Rawlings made up this impromptu prayer and said to Charles, “Say this short prayer after me, if You (God) will save my soul and keep me alive, I will be on the up for You forever…and if I die, please keep me out of Hell.” Immediately after Charles said this short prayer he admits that all of his experiences were pleasant. Charles relates that he saw his stepmother and his biological mother. Charles states that he never saw his mother, she passed away when he was just five months old. But in Heaven he recognized her immediately. (There is a Scripture in the Bible that supports this but I will stay with this man’s account for now without using and excerpts). Charles says that he never saw a photograph of his mother but he was instantly able to recognize who she was. At the time of Charles’ NDE his stepmother had passed away ten years earlier. Charles states that his stepmother and biological mother were together when he saw them. Charles did not have any contact with them mentally or physically but admits that the two women had their hands outstretched to him. Charles states that he was trying to take in all that he could see. Charles’ next experience was of walking down a corridor. On either side of the corridor were the most beautiful colors, inasmuch that not even Rembrandt could produce (Charles says). To this day Charles believes that those vibrant colors was a manifestation of the Holy Spirit surrounding and taking care of him. Charles admits that he never felt so “good” and so “safe” in all of his life. (As a side note let me say this: Charles Mcaig admits to “joining a church as child” but never to accepting Christ Jesus as his Lord and Savior.) Dr. Rawlings mentions that after all this transpired that it was a double conversion (he too accepted Jesus Christ’s love and payment for sins for his own life and will now enjoy the benefit of eternal life). This is but one man’s true account of the after life. All of the people in this video were atheists. Some were highly educated professionals. Every single one of them are now followers of Christ Jesus. As a result, they all have eternal life (though they may die [physically] their spirit and soul will “live” on forever and ever in the glory, splendor, and magnificence of Heaven. Heaven is a wonderful place. Yes, Heaven is a “literal place.” There are many people who have experienced life beyond this realm that we live in. Folks, God is REAL. There is another realm or dimension besides this one that we are so familiar with. It is called the “spirit realm or world.” Hell is there, Heaven is there, angels, God, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, as well as many people and other objects. I do not have time to go into all that now Imperial_Samura, I just wanted to touch base with you on the fact that some people have not had Heaven experiences immediately following death. But this link will take you to a video entitled, “To Hell and Back.” All of the individuals on this video died. One guy was killed by the KGB and was dead for three days (just like Jesus Christ) when the Lord sent his spirit and soul back into his body. This man as well as every single person who saw Hell came to Christ for salvation from sin.